Duck Pond Redneckery

[8978]

I only see 3 spark plugs???

 

[Duck]

I only see 3 spark plugs???

The front one is hidden behind that throttle/governor linkage bracket.

 

[8978]

That's a lot of engine for a small tractor.

 

[8978]

My mechanic would do anything to get his hands on that tractor for himself

 

[Duck]

That's a lot of engine for a small tractor.

Well it's an actual tractor for farming. Dragging a plow, churning up the dirt probably takes some power.

But modern tractors this size are usually in the 30-40 hp range.

My mechanic would do anything to get his hands on that tractor for himself

They're not hard to find. They were well built and many of them are still around.

Mine would sell for $1000 without the loader. Probably $1500 with it.

A restored one, probably 5 grand at the most. And that's with fresh engine overhaul and the trans/PTO/diff at least inspected internally and new paint.



The 8N model (after mine) are more common because all the men had returned from the war and went back to the family farms. So they sold more of them.

The 8N's were built from 1947 to 1952.

The 9N's are probably rare because they began production during the great depression then ended production in the middle of the war.

Early 2N models were made with steel wheels (no tires) because of government restrictions on rubber during the war. They had no batteries and were hand-cranked to start them because batteries were also restricted by the war.

Mine has tires, battery and starter but it's grille on the front has a cutaway designed into it like it had a hand crank starter.... Unless it was made that way specifically for the hydraulic pump that powers the loader.

 

[8978]

My mechanic loves that stuff. He wouldn't restore anything on your tractor. He would just fix what needs fixing. He has all sorts of old stuff including a bulldozer that's really really old.

 

[Duck]

So many of the N series tractors are still around that there's a special section for them at Farm and Fleet.

I could buy a new carburetor if I needed one.



They've been out of production for 65 years but you can still get parts for them off the shelf at Farm and Fleet..

At yesterday's tractors dot com you can get anything you need, even entire engine overhaul kits.

 

[GAnthony]

So many of the N series tractors are still around that there's a special section for them at Farm and Fleet.

I could buy a new carburetor if I needed one.

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They've been out of production for 65 years but you can still get parts for them off the shelf at Farm and Fleet..

At yesterday's tractors dot com you can get anything you need, even entire engine overhaul kits.

although it's been a long time for me, all i'd ever find wrong with most carbs, was the float developed a leak around the soldered seam. this was of course the brass floats. the plastic floats would just absorb the gas and sink. and floats were never included in any rebuild kit. the needle valve and seat would need replacing, as well as the gaskets. then the fuel plunger (pump) , would tear away. springs would always be replaced from any kit.

unless the carb was/is visibly cracked, a carb can be rebuilt at least a dozen times.

measuring float drop was either done with the gasket in place, or from bare surfaces.

speaking of fuel pumps, that would get either rebuilt or replaced as well as the materials used in there (the diaphragm) would be of the same material as the plunger in the carb. many times too, (some cars) has a rod from the cam shaft to the fuel pump, which would wear down, causing low to nearly non existent fuel pump pressure.

a good over-haul/rebuild of the fuel system would be great if you wanted to tackle that.

then too, remember, today's gasolines contain ethanol, a known ingredient that destroys many components in fuel systems. i have been using an additive (for my snow equipment) that counter acts the effects of ethanol...might be an idea to use that as well, with every fill up.

 

[Duck]

Corrosion. Like if it's left out in the rain with no air cleaner on it.

You get that white crusty stuff. Looks like the same stuff that builds up on battery posts. It'll be all through the carb and even if you get it all out, it leaves pitting on the metal. Carb is junk.

I've seen it happen many times. I don't know what sets off the process though. It's gotta be dissimilar metals or something... Like normally the gasoline prevents it but water activates it? Brass jets in the aluminum casting?



In fact just a few weeks ago when we had that fake spring, a guy brought me an old walk-behind bush hog that had been left outside since 2012 with the air cleaner missing. Carb was destroyed by corrosion. Intake valve was seized too. I got it running but nothing could be done to get it to run right. No amount of adjustment would let it idle, and it would suddenly flood itself out and die for no reason. Non-removable seats. Just a tapered hole drilled right into the aluminum, and of course, internally pitted from corrosion.

It ran like a Swiss watch with a new carb though. I changed the oil, left it running outside for about half an hour then changed it again. Good to go.

 

[gearjammer]

Corrosion. Like if it's left out in the rain with no air cleaner on it.

You get that white crusty stuff. Looks like the same stuff that builds up on battery posts. It'll be all through the carb and even if you get it all out, it leaves pitting on the metal. Carb is junk.

I've seen it happen many times. I don't know what sets off the process though. It's gotta be dissimilar metals or something... Like normally the gasoline prevents it but water activates it? Brass jets in the aluminum casting?

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In fact just a few weeks ago when we had that fake spring, a guy brought me an old walk-behind bush hog that had been left outside since 2012 with the air cleaner missing. Carb was destroyed by corrosion. Intake valve was seized too. I got it running but nothing could be done to get it to run right. No amount of adjustment would let it idle, and it would suddenly flood itself out and die for no reason. Non-removable seats. Just a tapered hole drilled right into the aluminum, and of course, internally pitted from corrosion.

It ran like a Swiss watch with a new carb though. I changed the oil, left it running outside for about half an hour then changed it again. Good to go.

I will bet it was a gravely tractor

 

[Duck]

I will bet it was a gravely tractor

No it was a Swisher.

The Walmart version of a D.R. Field and Brush mower.

(cue the ranting from @Tazz)

Doesn't matter though. Briggs & Stratton engine.

 

[ironpony]

No it was a Swisher.

 

[Duck]

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Power Equipment Products

Same brand as my trail cutter.

Same poorly designed, crappy brand. Lots of redneckery required to make it actually usable.

But it has nothing to do with the carburetor getting corroded because they didn't make the engine, or leave it outside for 5 years with no air cleaner on it.

 

[Duck]

I wonder how many ASE certified mechanics under the age of 30 would even know what they're looking at here.



On another topic, how to make a huge mess:



The drain on the radiator doesn't work. I opened it and nothing came out.

So I pulled the lower radiator hose... And it tore in half because apparently it was made out of fish nets and dried tar.

I removed the radiator so I can see WTF I'm doing... Later today when I get back from buying a new feeler gauge.

 

[GAnthony]

I wonder how many ASE certified mechanics under the age of 30 would even know what they're looking at here.

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On another topic, how to make a huge mess:

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The drain on the radiator doesn't work. I opened it and nothing came out.

So I pulled the lower radiator hose... And it tore in half because apparently it was made out of fish nets and dried tar.

I removed the radiator so I can see WTF I'm doing... Later today when I get back from buying a new feeler gauge.

hell some of 'em can't even tell you what a carburetor is or how to adjust one..>!!!!!!!

 

[krelithous]

I wonder how many ASE certified mechanics under the age of 30 would even know what they're looking at here.

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On another topic, how to make a huge mess:

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The drain on the radiator doesn't work. I opened it and nothing came out.

So I pulled the lower radiator hose... And it tore in half because apparently it was made out of fish nets and dried tar.

I removed the radiator so I can see WTF I'm doing... Later today when I get back from buying a new feeler gauge.

my guess would be that no ASE certified would have no clue on what there looking at

 

[Hammer166]

my guess would be that no ASE certified would have no clue on what there looking at

Let's see, it has an intermittent miss.

No problem, we'll just tell the computer to do a cylinder cut out test!

 

[Duck]

Apparently you can just take the entire distributor, cap, rotor, points, everything off with two bolts and do everything on the workbench, including ignition timing and points gap.

Early Ford 8N Tractor Distributor

 

[Duck]

Putting the license plate on the Geezer's Goldwing.

It's got these things dangling from the bottom of the trunk.



What kind of dumbassery is this?

Is it supposed to flop around and annoy the hell out of people following it by reflecting light?

 

[Hammer166]

Putting the license plate on the Geezer's Goldwing.

It's got these things dangling from the bottom of the trunk.

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What kind of dumbassery is this?

Is it supposed to flop around and annoy the hell out of people following it by reflecting light?

Put a helmet in the lock without those, you'll understand why they exist. I don't use the extensions, and it is a PITA to get the d-ring on the lock hoop.