What you all think about the electronic logs (eobrs)
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Gus
What?
Really? I know guys making the same now as I was in 2005 when I sold my truck. Fuel was $2 a gallon back then. They just run more miles.
I've been on elogs for the last 6 months. I'm making more now than ever and no one can force me to run over my hours.
notarps4me
Shy and Quiet.
I have always loose leafed or run 2 logs. Now I am going on elogs. I have talked to several drivers from my old company. They still get the same miles and money. They said they never thought they could make money running on elogs. One of them has been there 17 years and just turned a year on elogs. They all tell me you won't believe how good you feel when you actually run legal and actually take a 10 hour break. I can see where it would have some pros, but also can see where there would be some cons with them. I guess I will see how it goes.
Gus
What?
Yes, I do.
Do you think big brother watches all elog users? Get the tin foil hat out. Elogs force all the 4000 mile a week big riggers to do it legal. If it gets 2 of these dip ****s off the road, I'm for it.
I've never had an officer even want to see my logs after I inform them of the elogs. So they are actually less intrusive.
Duck
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I can't get how some people actually LIKE having big government monitor everything they do.
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Perhaps you and some of the other O/O's here would care to compile a "price list" for those of us (me for one) who have NO clue what is being paid to our company for the loads we haul, and (me) are content making as much as we did in our career jobs (just under 6 figures) before, under the Bush administration, our economy went to hell along with our career jobs.
Once I have all the information then I can make a sound decision on whether;
a. I'm being taken advantage of by the company.
b. The company I drive for is not being paid maximum dollar and I should point this out to them.
I'm guessing the 210 OTR company drivers, 500+ LTL drivers, a smattering of O/O's that lease to the company, warehouse workers and such that work for the same company would all like a raise and your insight/experience would be greatly appreciated by both drivers and administration.
Enough of the rhetoric about hauling cheap freight. Tell me/us what is a fair price.
Also, If the company I driver for is NOT charging a fair price by design... I do have the right to consider employment elsewhere and that should further your cause in getting the most for each load.
Duck
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I made a post kind of poking at [MENTION=8932]blackw900[/MENTION] a few days ago, about "never admit to hauling freight for less than $3.50 a mile" or whatever number I used. But I was kinda serious.
If you haul a load for $2/mile, and tell everybody else you hauled it for $3/mi, then you'll convince people that load should pay $3. So when somebody is looking at a load that's offered at $2/mile, they'll say "well I know of somebody who got $3/mi for that run. And so they'll be more likely to give a high-ball figure and get that 2 dollar rate a little higher. They might not get it for $3/mile, but he might get $2.50. And then if he turns around and tells people he got the load for $3.50, the next guy might tell that broker he won't haul it for $2/mi because he knows somebody who hauled it for $3.50. If EVERYBODY lied about how much they're hauling freight for, it might eventually raise rates for the everyone. Everyone will think they're getting ripped off by the broker because "the last guy got it for $3.50 a mile", they'll demand higher rates.
Yeah, I know, .. just a pipe dream.
catalinaflyer
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I thought this thread was about e-logs but reading through it makes me think its about rates. Well on the rates side, frankly I don't care because I'm a company driver and I know what they are paying me per mile and with that information alone I know they are not hauling freight for $2.00 a mile or even $3.00.
As far as e-logs, I have run both and currently I'm in one of our only new trucks that does not have them so from the company standpoint I'm on paper logs. However with that being said, I haven't touched a paper log in 14+ years, I run Drivers Daily Log on my laptop and have been since Bruce released the very first version as freeware. I pull into the scale and Mr Officer asks for my log to which I point to my laptop and EVERY time except one they have said oh, okay go ahead. I did however have 1 officer that went ahead and looked, he was well versed in DDL and knew how to navigate the program. He never looked at the logs themselves just went into the print records to see if I had made changes since printing them and sent me on my way.
As for e-logs, I was against them till I spent a few months on Qualcom's e-log system and quite frankly I loved it. I made just as many miles as I did on paper and found that yet again the DOT stops asking for logs as soon as they see the sign on the door. Government may be mandating the EOBR but I don't see an underground office full of overpaid guberment worker bee's monitoring our logs. Yes I think that it's over-regulating an industry that is already top heavy with regulations and as such should be left up to the carriers or individual drivers to decide.
As far as e-logs, I have run both and currently I'm in one of our only new trucks that does not have them so from the company standpoint I'm on paper logs. However with that being said, I haven't touched a paper log in 14+ years, I run Drivers Daily Log on my laptop and have been since Bruce released the very first version as freeware. I pull into the scale and Mr Officer asks for my log to which I point to my laptop and EVERY time except one they have said oh, okay go ahead. I did however have 1 officer that went ahead and looked, he was well versed in DDL and knew how to navigate the program. He never looked at the logs themselves just went into the print records to see if I had made changes since printing them and sent me on my way.
As for e-logs, I was against them till I spent a few months on Qualcom's e-log system and quite frankly I loved it. I made just as many miles as I did on paper and found that yet again the DOT stops asking for logs as soon as they see the sign on the door. Government may be mandating the EOBR but I don't see an underground office full of overpaid guberment worker bee's monitoring our logs. Yes I think that it's over-regulating an industry that is already top heavy with regulations and as such should be left up to the carriers or individual drivers to decide.
Duck
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Once everyone is on e-logs and they start losing that citation revenue for log violations, it'll be about the same time the majority of DOT officers become familiar with how they look, and they'll start scrutinizing them closer. They'll look for improper use of off-duty driving time, edits done by dispatchers, and form & manner stuff like checking to see if you've entered in all your trip info.
I also think that since e-logs are voluntary at the moment (for carriers) and you KNOW the DOT wants us all on EOBRs, they're probably telling DOT bears not to look at them very often, or perhaps intentionally not training them on how they work, to lull the industry into a false sense of security in thinking that they won't mess with you if you have e-logs. By being lax on log inspections for e-logs, they probably hope the result will be less opposition to EOBRs and/or more carriers choosing to make the transition to e-logs.
Government wants to know everything, so they can control everything. Like I've said about a billion times before, absolutely nothing good can come from more government.
I also think that since e-logs are voluntary at the moment (for carriers) and you KNOW the DOT wants us all on EOBRs, they're probably telling DOT bears not to look at them very often, or perhaps intentionally not training them on how they work, to lull the industry into a false sense of security in thinking that they won't mess with you if you have e-logs. By being lax on log inspections for e-logs, they probably hope the result will be less opposition to EOBRs and/or more carriers choosing to make the transition to e-logs.
Government wants to know everything, so they can control everything. Like I've said about a billion times before, absolutely nothing good can come from more government.
We mention our rates from time to time already.....
Of course none of the rate talk here applies to an LTL operation because they base what they do on an entirely different set of criteria.
It doesn't matter to you.....You don't own the truck and regardless what the truck gets paid, You will be paid the same rate you get now.
I know the post I'm replying to was meant to be facetious and snarky.....But it's early in the morning and I'm kind'a bored.
No, No....Just stay where you are.
The talk about rates only applies to "truckers"...Not to "drivers", There is a distinct difference.
Gus
What?
Not to mention dishonest and unethical. Why not just refuse to haul it for $2 a mile?
Duck
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Dishonest? Yes, obviously. Have you ever told a small child about Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, etc? That's dishonest too if you want to get technical.
Unethical? How's it any less ethical then the cut-throats who haul cheap freight & lower the rates for everybody? If you lie to a guy about the rate you haul for, how's it going to hurt him? It might help him, if it motivates him to ask for a higher rate & the shipper or broker accepts his higher offer, or at least goes up from his initial offer.
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