New rules require 98% across-the-board compliance starting Tuesday

[Electric Chicken]

That's not anyone's fault but your own carrier for not setting things up so you can get in and out quicker. If your carrier isn't interested in ita trucks moving in and put of places quicker, well, sorry about your luck.

If Grocery is dropped its not sitting long.

Walmart doesn't need to pad its pockets on the backs of everyone else. That's so stupid it's obvious.

Appointments can be rescheduled in order to avoid late deliveries should something happen in transit.

Again, none of this is any different than delivering to any other major company which has DCs.

I like you but you're delusional about your employer.

Carriers have no control over queues or gate to gate times. They wish they did.

Walmart is applying this to everything, not just grocery. Dock wait times prove you incorrect regardless.

Walmart is on insanely razor thin margins. That's their entire business model. Everyone knows this. Amazon is giving them a shellacking. Everyone knows this as well. They're looking at anything and everything to make or save a buck.

Reschedules often come with their own set of penalties and should not be required if a driver has been sitting in a queue along the road right outside the DC for hours in advance of the appointment, or rolls up an hour early.

Other bad doesn't make your bad okay.

 

[Duck]

You're not even a productive member of society, and your opinions mean less than zero.

What crawled up your ass and died? Seriously? Yesterday you were crabbing ass over an avatar. Take a midol.

Any criticism of Walmart sends you into total bitch mode. Just like Tazz.

 

[Electric Chicken]

You're not even a productive member of society, and your opinions mean less than zero.

I'm not a productive member of society right now either but current situations do not affect past experiences.

 

[Sinister]

I like you but you're delusional about your employer.

Carriers have no control over queues or gate to gate times. They wish they did.

Walmart is applying this to everything, not just grocery. Dock wait times prove you incorrect regardless.

Walmart is on insanely razor thin margins. That's their entire business model. Everyone knows this. Amazon is giving them a shellacking. Everyone knows this as well. They're looking at anything and everything to make or save a buck.

Reschedules often come with their own set of penalties and should not be required if a driver has been sitting in a queue along the road right outside the DC for hours in advance of the appointment, or rolls up an hour early.

Other bad doesn't make your bad okay.

Every business is constantly looking to save a buck. Its perfectly normal. Its also what makes all of them better companies for the consumer himself.

I'm not sure what razor thin margins you're talking about other than not wanting to sit on inventory for any longer than necessary. Also not unique.

Nobody is late for an appointment because they sat in line too llong.they won't let the moron that jist got to the stop sign hold everything up too long at all. Nobody benefits that way. They'll make him pull off into the holding area.

However, if you see the idiot at the stop sign waddle to his truck after he's been to the shack, its because HE didn't have his crap together to begin with and had to make an extra trip back to the truck. Blame the guy up front at the stop sign waddling back and forth.

Walmart wants ita process as streamlined as possible. In this regard anyway. Some of the other areas where they add things are mind boggling, believe me.

So they want you do be on time, most of the time. Guess what? So does everyone else.

I'm sorry you folks think half assed is good enough.

 

[Sinister]

And no, back in the 90s I ran for a company that had standing appointment priority at all Unisource Paper places.

So it can be done.

 

[Duck]

I'm not a productive member of society right now either but current situations do not affect past experiences.

I keep myself busy doing small engine work. I guess you need to have an employer and pay taxes and shit to meet his definition of "productive".

 

[Electric Chicken]

Every business is constantly looking to save a buck. Its perfectly normal. Its also what makes all of them better companies for the consumer himself.

I'm not sure what razor thin margins you're talking about other than not wanting to sit on inventory for any longer than necessary. Also not unique.

Nobody is late for an appointment because they sat in line too llong.they won't let the moron that jist got to the stop sign hold everything up too long at all. Nobody benefits that way. They'll make him pull off into the holding area.

However, if you see the idiot at the stop sign waddle to his truck after he's been to the shack, its because HE didn't have his crap together to begin with and had to make an extra trip back to the truck. Blame the guy up front at the stop sign waddling back and forth.

Walmart wants ita process as streamlined as possible. In this regard anyway. Some of the other areas where they add things are mind boggling, believe me.

So they want you do be on time, most of the time. Guess what? So does everyone else.

I'm sorry you folks think half assed is good enough.

Yeah I mean I've already addressed this so there's no point rehashing it.

You're not the one sitting in that long line that didn't really need to be a long line in the first place.

 

[Electric Chicken]

And no, back in the 90s I ran for a company that had standing appointment priority at all Unisource Paper places.

So it can be done.

What does this have to do with the delivery drivers who don't have any kind of priority?

 

[Electric Chicken]

I keep myself busy doing small engine work. I guess you need to have an employer and pay taxes and shit to meet his definition of "productive".

Yeah I suppose.

 

[Duck]

Yeah I mean I've already addressed this so there's no point rehashing it.

You're not the one sitting in that long line that didn't really need to be a long line in the first place.

I think he only goes to DCs in the midwest. I've never had any issues in the midwest except for the incredibly stupid "drop chock and block" and "bring in your keys" bullshit I think I only had to deal with at that one in Missouri south of KC.

It's the ones in the eastern states that I'll never go back to. Particularly Gordonsville, VA.

 

[Sinister]

I think he only goes to DCs in the midwest. I've never had any issues in the midwest except for the incredibly stupid "drop chock and block" and "bring in your keys" bullshit I think I only had to deal with at that one in Missouri south of KC.

It's the ones in the eastern states that I'll never go back to. Particularly Gordonsville, VA.

Do they need small engines fixed in Virginia?

 

[Duck]

Do they need small engines fixed in Virginia?

Probably but I won't go that far.

 

[Sinister]

I think he only goes to DCs in the midwest. I've never had any issues in the midwest except for the incredibly stupid "drop chock and block" and "bring in your keys" bullshit I think I only had to deal with at that one in Missouri south of KC.

It's the ones in the eastern states that I'll never go back to. Particularly Gordonsville, VA.

Something like this would be put in place because of something tremendously stupid. Like say, a guy pulling his trailer out of a door with someone in it.

Its just another form of lock out/tag out type stuff.

I'm clueless as to when that was or if it's still going on, but I'd say it probably wouldn't for too long.

Nobody wants your grungy keys on their desk.

We've even had fleet drivers doing pull aways this past year. One made it into a safety video. Personally I think it should be a one time terminable offense. Couldnt tell you how they're handling it.

But ive learned this place is a lot more forgiving than I am.

 

[Electric Chicken]

I think he only goes to DCs in the midwest. I've never had any issues in the midwest except for the incredibly stupid "drop chock and block" and "bring in your keys" bullshit I think I only had to deal with at that one in Missouri south of KC.

It's the ones in the eastern states that I'll never go back to. Particularly Gordonsville, VA.

Yeah I've been to Woodland, Tobyhanna, Pottsville, Bedford, Dover, Mt Crawford, and Gordonsville.

Fortunately I was all D&H so I didn't have dock door nightmares but at Bedford I was helping do the store deliveries sinister style vs wait in line at the rest. It's a HUGE difference. Not just getting to the gate but how you're treated once you're in. You have your own lane, guard pulls up the roll-up door just enough to peek in, never have to get out to swing doors, preloaded, etc.

It's also a huge difference when you're the only one or only behind one truck rolling up to the stop sign at night vs queued up during the day during a hot appointment time.

At night I could be in and out in half an hour even as a third party driver. Gate signed my bills because the office was closed and I could pick my own spot anywhere in an assigned section. Gordonsville included.

It's just a completely different animal. You can't tell people to just shut up an accept it when what they're accepting is different from what you're accepting. Well you can, but you're gonna get pushback.

 

[Sinister]

I can because I've used the right lane too.

 

[Electric Chicken]

I can because I've used the right lane too.

I guess I should stop bitching because hey technically I'm currently unaffected.

I mean I was in the past, and might be in the future but all that matters is right now.

Besides, those other drivers don't matter. Only I do.

Sorry man I just can't get behind you on this one. It's not even the lines that bother me. What bothers me is doing everything right and still getting dinged late when you weren't freaking late. It's not just Walmart. It's all these idiot places that deliberately create clusterfucks.

 

[Electric Chicken]

I guess what I'm saying is if you want to be strict about on time percentages, don't punish drivers who arrive super early. Let them in, let them drop. Take the crap YOU ordered as soon as it comes in. Don't penalize a driver who played it safe and got there 8 hours before he was due then fine him when he got stuck in a queue that he specifically played it safe and arrived SUPER early to avoid.

In other words don't expect a driver to hit an artificially narrow window. Let it be open on the front end and be stringent on the late side.

 

[Mike]

Probably a good time to suggest going back and looking at the purpose of these rules. It is to put pressure on the shipper far more than it is to put pressure on any carrier or driver.

Walmart puts an order in for 60,500 widgets to be delivered to various DC's on the 3rd of November, they don't want the shipper sending 57,285 widgets and not being able to get them to the DC's until the 4th of November.

Walmart is paying $xxx,xxx.xx to get the above product, in full, on a specific day, because they have already planned to have those products loaded into trailers by the next day and en route to stores. If the shipper can't hold up to their end of the deal, they need to be docked for it.

To take this further, the shipper knows the fines for failing to provide what they promise when they promise it, and have the ability to choose to do business with Walmart or not do business with Walmart.

For all the attacking of Walmart in this thread, what seems to be missing here is that this is a win for carriers. The shipper needs the product moved when it is ready, and they know they must get it out on time. This means they pay a good rate to the broker. They also put pressure on the broker with similar penalties for not getting the load moved on time, which means the brokers are going to be much quicker on paying a good rate to get a carrier to move the load.

 

[Mike]

Except...it doesn't do the former and does do the latter. Everyone upchain dicks off and the driver is the one sweating bullets over it.

Nope. If the product that was ordered doesn't make it, in full, the shipper gets fined.

And Walmart expects it to arrive on the day that the shipper promised it would be there. If they can't get the product made on time, it's on the shipper. If they get the product made on time and can't get a truck on time, it's on the shipper.

This all lands at the feet of the shipper, not you.

None of the rule changes being discussed here has anything to do with a carrier's responsibility to get a load delivered at the proper time.

 

[Electric Chicken]

Nope. If the product that was ordered doesn't make it, in full, the shipper gets fined.

And Walmart expects it to arrive on the day that the shipper promised it would be there. If they can't get the product made on time, it's on the shipper. If they get the product made on time and can't get a truck on time, it's on the shipper.

This all lands at the feet of the shipper, not you.

None of the rule changes being discussed here has anything to do with a carrier's responsibility to get a load delivered at the proper time.

Read it again, brother. It's everyone. They want to ding anyone they can find fault with, and they're creating fault opportunity with the narrow windows.

But they're bitching about shelves being empty while making early trucks sit out on the shoulder of the road.

So yeah not buying it.