I am being forced into running electronic logs


I officially go on Electronic Logs tomorrow morning. Supposedly it takes only 15 minutes to install, and the training takes an hour.

They will be installing a GPS device in the truck, and all of the logging will be done via a new Blackberry that I will be getting tomorrow.

Just shoot me now........ :)
My neighbor had paperless logs installed a couple months ago and he likes it.He did'nt think he would.His company keeps him moving.The thing I hate about paperless is say you're stuck at a customer for hrs like I was yesterday,you're 14 hrs is pretty much shot.So how many drivers are at your company and why'd they use you as the guinea pig so to speak???????????
 
Gearjammer, Wargames, We tried and failed. When the bottom feel out alot of us parked. It did'nt matter they had already started pushing everyone into the industry. The American trucker was distroyed buy stupid.
Has any one students grants ect. ever figure out how much money was lost on the mill drivers who came in and failed. If They did it's sure not public and I doubt honest. I found the threads 08 go reread them.
We parked and it has a forsale sign on it, with a lot of others. This alot know was decieded long befor I got sick.
I was for the union because I hoped they would shake the company drivers up. We were o/o indep. How the hell could we beat there low ball rates of the big companies?
Now it's just the start for them sorry to say it's not looking good.........................
I feel for ya Mike what a nightmare it's going to be. I've heard already problems with them.
 
So how many drivers are at your company and why'd they use you as the guinea pig so to speak???????????

We have between 40-50 trucks (we are an affiliate for a very large company). Terminal manager said I was chosen because I would be able to grasp the technology quickly and that I would be vocal about how I was being affected by the new system.

Needless to say, I have been very vocal.

I learned something new when I arrived at our yard this past weekend. Our company speed limit is 65MPH. I found this out the hard way after our corporate safety department sent my terminal manager my daily speed report. So, not only am I being controlled by a computer that tells me when to drive, big brother knows exactly how fast I am going and won't let me drive more than 65.

I am trying to keep an open mind about all of this...........
 
I officially go on Electronic Logs tomorrow morning. Supposedly it takes only 15 minutes to install, and the training takes an hour.

They will be installing a GPS device in the truck, and all of the logging will be done via a new Blackberry that I will be getting tomorrow.

Just shoot me now........ :)
BANG
 
out of curiosity if the log shows that you was driving a few miles over the speed limit do you get CSA points for it??
or for that matter bo any of the violations that will show up since you are being held under a microscope count against you CSA score??
 
Your manager is right about one thing,you do catch on quickly with the latest technology and you are voiceterous in your opinions and such.That's why you're the administration here.That is messed up that log thingy controls your speed as well.Before you know might as well say the trucking industry has ROBOTS not drivers.That's what it's going to be before all said and done.
We have between 40-50 trucks (we are an affiliate for a very large company). Terminal manager said I was chosen because I would be able to grasp the technology quickly and that I would be vocal about how I was being affected by the new system.

Needless to say, I have been very vocal.

I learned something new when I arrived at our yard this past weekend. Our company speed limit is 65MPH. I found this out the hard way after our corporate safety department sent my terminal manager my daily speed report. So, not only am I being controlled by a computer that tells me when to drive, big brother knows exactly how fast I am going and won't let me drive more than 65.

I am trying to keep an open mind about all of this...........
 
out of curiosity if the log shows that you was driving a few miles over the speed limit do you get CSA points for it??
or for that matter bo any of the violations that will show up since you are being held under a microscope count against you CSA score??

The information being collected is not collected by the DOT, only the company. And any company would be foolish to pass that information along to the DOT unless they are asking for it, like during an audit, for example. Remember, certain CSA 2010 scores count against the company as well as the driver. And any traffic violations a driver gets at a company also reflect against that companies CSA 2010 score, even if the driver leaves the company.

Oh, and by the way, he said it was his company that had a policy about how fast the trucks should be going. The maximum speed for trucks varies from state to state (for the moment) and is as low as 55 in places like California and Oregon, and as high as 80 on certain stretches of I-15 in Utah.
 
hey bull, how about an update on how the electronic logs are going.

They suck. Between having to be told when I can and can't drive, and being forced to not run over 65 MPH now, it makes me not even want to get into a truck.

On my first run, I loaded an hour early with a 500 mile run to Montgomery Alabama. Even loading early, I had to run the 500 miles straight through, stopping only once at a rest area to pee. I was unable to stop to eat, unable to stop and get a shower, and was unable to park at a truck stop. By running the load straight through, nonstop, I arrived at the receiver at 8:54PM. I had to deliver at 7:00AM, so by parking on the street with no place to use the bathroom, I had just enough time to take my 10 hour break before delivering the load. Had I parked at a truck stop long enough to do anything, I would have ended up with less than 10 hours, forcing me to take a full 10 after I got unloaded the next morning.

My second trip was a 1580(1490 pay miles) mile run up to Sidney, Montana. Took me 3 days driving to get there, delivered the following morning, and took me 3 days to get back. Not only that, I had to leave the house late Saturday night to go pick up the load, and since I had been up all day Saturday (my only day off), I loaded the load at midnight, and had to sleep at the receiver til 10:00AM so I could take off that morning with a full day of driving available.
(On a load like this, due to the very early load time, I would usually leave my house at midnight, go get loaded, then sleep for 5-6 hours before taking off). It ended up taking me from late Saturday night when I loaded, until Friday afternoon to make it back, all for just under 3000 pay miles. I should have been able to go pick up the load, bring it back home, and sit at the house an additional day (until early Monday morning). At that point, I could have drove Monday and Tuesday to get it there, Delivered Wednesday morning, and been back at the house Thursday night.
So you tell me, and extra day at the house before leaving, only being gone 4 days, and an extra day at home before leaving out today, if I could run it the way I am comfortable running it. Instead of being gone 4 days, I was gone 6 days. Instead of being off and at home from Thursday night until Sunday morning, I am only here from Friday afternoon until Sunday morning.
Too make matters worse, had I gotten home on Thursday, I could have gotten a load at 2:00am this morning going back to Sidney Montana. Instead, I have to load later, which means my load is going to be only a 2000 mile round trip instead of a 3000 mile round trip to start the week.

Less rest, gone from home more, less miles, and driving slower which causes me to get tired behind the wheel quicker.

All about safety? I don't think so.
 
think about this Mike if everyone had to go to electronic logs one of two things are going to happen, there are going to be a LOT of freight opportunities out there as a LOT of drivers are going to get out of this business and fewer nuggets get into trucking,OR
perhaps it might finally piss off enough drivers to go thru with what was started 3 or 4 years ago when a small group tried to make it better for all in the industry by staging a shutdown and waking the government up to what is happening to this industry.
personally, I figure that the truckers today will either get out or learn to speak spanish as the group that gets out is replaced by the mexican drivers poised to take over our highways.

i have went from an optimist to a pessimist as to whether American truckers will ever get enough backbone to unite and fix this mess rather it seems that the majority or them are all to happy to bend over and let the government and corporations have their way with them in any perverted way they want.

as stated in an earlier post this is my last truck, and since it has close to a million miles on it the time is drawing near when I will leave it to the robots driving today to fight over the crumbs the corporations are grudgingly pass down to the drivers for all the hard work this job involves.
 
They suck. Between having to be told when I can and can't drive, and being forced to not run over 65 MPH now, it makes me not even want to get into a truck.

So this thing limits the speed the rig will run?

On my first run, I loaded an hour early with a 500 mile run to Montgomery Alabama. Even loading early, I had to run the 500 miles straight through, stopping only once at a rest area to pee. I was unable to stop to eat, unable to stop and get a shower, and was unable to park at a truck stop. By running the load straight through, nonstop, I arrived at the receiver at 8:54PM. I had to deliver at 7:00AM, so by parking on the street with no place to use the bathroom, I had just enough time to take my 10 hour break before delivering the load. Had I parked at a truck stop long enough to do anything, I would have ended up with less than 10 hours, forcing me to take a full 10 after I got unloaded the next morning.

Well that wouldn't work for me. Pulling flatbeds I have to do a load check at the first 50 miles after I pick up the load and then every 3 hours or so after that until I deliver the load.

My second trip was a 1580(1490 pay miles)

So why do you get shorted 90 miles of pay?

Less rest, gone from home more, less miles, and driving slower which causes me to get tired behind the wheel quicker.

All about safety? I don't think so.

I feel for you. That sucks big time, and if the fed has its way we are all going to be under the rectal microscope.
 
I think paperless sucks.The driver is forced to take a 10 hr brk once the 14 hr clock is over.That tells the driver when he's tired.The driver has absolutely no say so over that or anything.Then once your 10 hr brk is over,you have to get up and go no matter how much sleep you did not get.
 
So this thing limits the speed the rig will run?

No, but it uses a GPS that constantly monitors how fast I am going. Anything over 65mph and I get into trouble. This really sucks because I didn't hire on with this job under these rules. My first truck with this company ran 74mph, my current truck runs faster than that.
 
I think paperless sucks.The driver is forced to take a 10 hr brk once the 14 hr clock is over.That tells the driver when he's tired.The driver has absolutely no say so over that or anything.Then once your 10 hr brk is over,you have to get up and go no matter how much sleep you did not get.

Yep, on my way to Colorado now. Made it a little past Childress, Texas tonight before shutting down for my 10 hour break. Stopped about 10:00pm, can't leave until 8:00AM tomorrow. I have killed a little time eating a sandwich and getting on the website here. Going to go to sleep shortly and I will be wide awake by 5:30AM, and forced to sit here for 2 1/2 hours after that waiting for my "break" to end.

Seems to me like I would be better off if I could leave when I woke up, and be in Denver before rush hour traffic gets started.
 
So how long is it would you say before everyone at your company has to go paperless??????????????????
Yep, on my way to Colorado now. Made it a little past Childress, Texas tonight before shutting down for my 10 hour break. Stopped about 10:00pm, can't leave until 8:00AM tomorrow. I have killed a little time eating a sandwich and getting on the website here. Going to go to sleep shortly and I will be wide awake by 5:30AM, and forced to sit here for 2 1/2 hours after that waiting for my "break" to end.

Seems to me like I would be better off if I could leave when I woke up, and be in Denver before rush hour traffic gets started.
 
They are adding something like 5 a week, or something like that, so however long it takes to get 50-60 trucks equipped.
If they have the money for every trk to go paperless not to mention the monthly bill,tell them you want a raise for forcably being the guinea pig,LOL.
 
The raise request has already been made, and it will be reminded.

I have liked working for these people, and want to continue for the rest of the time I am driving OTR, but something is going to have to give with the money now. E-logs and 65mph has put a serious damper on my income and has increased my stress level.

The load I am on today is another example of how having to drive like a robot screws things up. I am scheduled to deliver at 9:00am in the morning, and got here at 3:30pm today. Take the restrictions off of me and I would have easily been up here around noon (or earlier) and these people would have unloaded me. Instead, I woke up at the rest area on 287 in Texas, walked around the entire thing, walked on my NordicTrack machine that I have in my truck, did some stretching, and worked out with my dumbells. After all that, I sit on my ass for almost two hours before I could leave.

All this idle time in the truck is driving me crazy.
 

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