How to FIX the Brokers!!


I am looking into how to become a broker for my husband, if it is possible I plan on paying drivers 85 - 90 percent of the line haul. Ok if the load pays $1000 the broker still makes say $100 on ten percent. That is just one load, how much a week does a broker make anyway!
 
So true snow and luna you're right not all brokers are bad.The one i'm hauling for now,HOT DAMN HE HAS A SEXY VOICEand I told him that too.When I call him I don't use his name I call him mr sexy.He laughs,LOL
 
Brokers, Brokers, Broker, and more broke!

Everything I keep reading goes back to my original post! Truckers should be paid and Brokers should get their just due! Just be fair about it. Show the trucker what the FREIGHT PAYS!!!! What are you bad brokers afraid of, that you might not make the money you feel you should. Do a good job, pay right and you will get more than your share.
Just be FAIR and SHOW the FREIGHT RATE, and any thing else that the trucker should get, TARP fees, Surcharges, etc. These are all things that are suppose to go to the truck, not kept by a broker.
Brokers, charge your rate, post your rate, post the freight rate and be honest and fair, that is all that anyone has ever asked for. If you don't, then more truckers will write to their senators and congress people and ask that you be regulated like truckers are. Then, when you have to comply, the truckers will get what they deserve and have something to go to if they find out differently.
This POST is for all the [FONT=&quot]deceitful[/FONT] brokers out there, not the ones that do a proper and honest job!!!
 
OK all your brokers let's hear what u have to say pertaining to what taps said.I just don't understand why brokers feel the need to hide certain things.Drivers are'nt complete idiots like many of u think.They know what's going on.I wonder when JJ was on here last.Hes probably reading everything just not responding because he knows u owners are in the right.
 
The truck owners and companies as well have to decide that they will not haul the freight. And that won't happen someone/company is always willing to take the load cheaper than the other guy to have a load to haul while the truck not wanting to be the cheapest hauler out there sits and waits for a load. Hence what we have now.
 
Yep I agree that'll never happen.My company finds whatever lds are availableYou know I don't have a problem with cheap loads but when the broker hides the true amount on the load now thats a problem.Owners and companies have to make a living too ya know.I wonder just how cheap loads really are.If brokers are'nt giving the full amount then maybe there is actually money involved.Folks are in business to make money and to make a profit.I don't see any owners coming out ahead just enough to keep above water and some not even that which explains why many compaines closed and many owners went back to company driving.
The truck owners and companies as well have to decide that they will not haul the freight. And that won't happen someone/company is always willing to take the load cheaper than the other guy to have a load to haul while the truck not wanting to be the cheapest hauler out there sits and waits for a load. Hence what we have now.
 
Ok brokers all of you, So the forum has placed in so many words a dare to you...........
Show yourselves..........
Scared?
If you have nothing to hide, Why would you be............
Maybe we should google brokers put all your names out here and let everyone speak for you..........
 
YA afterall this thread is dedicated to all you brokers so come on here and clear your good name and help us understand why u don't tell the drivers EVERYTHING instead what u feel they only need to know.Does that work both ways?
 
Just seen from Transport topics

A pair of Senators introduced legislation Tuesday aimed at curbing the fraud by unscrupulous freight brokers.
 
A day in the life of a freight broker..........

For everyone here that is wondering why freight brokers exist and what kind of service they provide to the industry, I hope that this sheds some light on it for you.

5:15 am - Open up the office. Turn on the lights, the coffee pot (in dire need of a 2nd cup), the computer and get the flag put out. Next decipher all the phone messages left overnight from drivers who can't speak clear English

5:30 am - Make 30 cold calls to the east coast. Earlier is better because people start getting busy around 9:00 am local time. Cold calling evolves dialing a phone number for a company and trying to speak with a person who is evolved with shipping things. Seems simple right? Can't be too hard? Well, these people are generally well protected by receptionists and other "gate keepers" or the automated systems screening calls for those people. When you do get through they are not typically very interested in "shooting the breeze". You have about 30 seconds to introduce yourself, find out if they are the person you want to talk to (or who that is), and convince them that it is not a waste of their time to talk to you. If you can achieve that, well done. You know have a qualified customer and can start to ask them for freight. That happens about on about 5% of the calls you make. The rest you leave a voice mail, get hung up on, or otherwise fail to "dig up" a new customer. You have to be nice, funny, direct, articulate, personable, professional, relaxed and quick. Every time. They get to be rude, short, insulting and otherwise not very fun to speak with at will.

6:30 am - Reply to emails, check progress on loads in route, post new loads. We post on 3 different boards, so organization of information is very important. Loads must be kept current and updated daily. Rates have to be estimated for mileage or weight and adjusted for current fuel prices and specific load details. If a load needs tarps or has more than one origin/destination the carrier will want extra. Take the estimate and post that amount. Then try to sell the customer on that rate. Any Purchasing or Shipping Manager worth their $80,000 per year salary went out in the past 12 months and locked in contracts with CH Robinson, DHL, FedEx Freight and other large "Walmart" style carriers (See, we brokers can shoot back too) for ridiculous $1.20-$1.50 per mile flat rates with 24 hour pick up guarantees. They can afford to lose money on some stuff to keep the bills getting paid and be available for that big dollar load when it comes up to make the profit. That leaves nothing for us brokers to live on, so you might as well not even waste your time on those loads.

6:35 am - Make 30 warm calls to the east coast. This generally evolves calling up people you have formally "Qualified" and asking them if they have any loads they are working on, or calling up a company that you really think has loads and trying in vane to reach a decision maker. Again, about 5% of your calls will result in good conversations, about 5% of those will have loads to post. You have to be very effective in your record keeping for these calls. It is important to document who, when, what and then set a reminder for another call in the future. All this takes time. 95% of our sales come from the 6th contact or later. That is right around 4 months of BS schmoozing before we even make a dime. Even then we get put onto a list of 16 other brokers, agents, and O/O who see and likely post the exact same load or book it carrier direct.

7:30 am - 2:30 pm - Repeat this process for all time zones while also attempting to "book" loads. What does it take to actually book a load? Great question. About 300 phone calls is the short answer.

4:30 pm - 9:30 pm - Mine for prospects. This requires hours of mindless Google searches and excel spreadsheets. Copy and paste name, phone number, and address over and over. Tedious and time consuming. My faience hates this part most of all because I'm completely oblivious to her while I'm working. "There but not there" is what she says. I need 120 new phone numbers every day I tell her.

After actually succeeding in getting onto the contact list of the person responsible for making decisions for a company that is wiling to pay going rates for their shipments (and can afford to pay their bills), you get to play the rate game.

First you have to wrestle as much information as you can from someone who really does not have the answers you need. Once you get the information you can post the load. We do this three times. Then negotiating with the customer for a rate, because they will very rarely give you one upfront unless it's super cheep. So you banter with the customer getting as much for the driver at the best profit as possible to keep you manager happy while still keeping your rates lower than the other 6 guys also quoting this load. Then you get to find a reputable carrier that will keep their commitments to you so you don't cause your customer to lose a customer because of a botched load. There are a million little things that can cause you to disappoint and therefor lose a customer. You get what you pay for is what I tell my customers. They tell me it's my problem. Better post with good money too, don't want to get a bad reputation with carriers of only having cheep freight.

Rates have to be estimated for mileage or weight and adjusted for current fuel prices and specific load details. If a load needs tarps or has more than one origin/destination the carrier will want extra. Take the estimate and post that amount. Then try to sell the customer on that rate. Any Purchasing or Shipping Manager worth their $80,000 per year salary went out in the past 12 months and locked in contracts with CH Robinson, DHL, FedEx Freight and other large "Walmart" style carriers (See, we brokers can shoot back too) for ridiculous $1.20-$1.50 per mile flat rates with 24 hour pick up guarantees. They can afford to lose money on some stuff to keep the bills getting paid and be available for that big dollar load when it comes up to make the profit. That leaves nothing for us brokers to live on, so you might as well not even waste your time on those loads.

All of that so that carriers can easily look up loads online, make 5-10 phone calls, and be able to go do your job. I think it's pretty cool that you can plan out a trip that will make a good weeks pay on with out too much trouble. What a world we live in! That is the service we provide in conjunction with the load boards. All the leg work required to make your lives a little easier. Without us there would be no loads posted, or companies with freight would have to pay an employee and the costs associated with being able to post loads. Hence we provide a service to both shippers and carriers. Otherwise we would not exist.

Exist, that is about all most of us brokers do. We split our profit with the company that backs us. That way our carriers get paid within 25 days of getting paperwork turned in, and I never have to make a collections call to a customer that is slow to pay. So if there's 10% mark up on a load we get 5% and the company/local owner splits 5%. $50 on a $1000 load in my pocket for the government to steal from and to feed my family on. If I happen to land on that golden goose who drops nothing but $3/mile loads six times a week for 3000 miles each, then I'm the luckiest SOB in the world for a while and the carrier will reap the reward as well. I like 10-20% of $9000 a lot better than 100% of nothing which is what I usually get. No net hanging below me here. 100% commission based 1099 contractor with out benefits just like you O/O out there, but with out the equipment payments. That is why you guys get the big bucks and I only win if I do a ton of volume. Which takes years and years to build and lots of time to maintain, just like your equipment.

If you want the $2-3 per mile loads, you need to do my job as well as yours. It can be done, epically if your good at speaking with people and doing paperwork. Otherwise you pay me a little bit to take care of that for you so you can do more driving. Having your wife do it for you is a great way to keep that for yourself. We preform the same role as a distributor does in the retail world. The car dealer gets so much per car because the manufacturer does not want to spend the money to deal with individual car buyers. We market your trucks at your rates for as much profit as we can get. You could do it too, but like JJ said there are costs that come along with it, and the calls are not as easy as they sound. Try making 10 cold calls some time, see how it goes for you.

All this said, the bad apple analogy applies for all aspects of the industry. Until we all unite together customer, broker/agent, carrier, and supporting industries and help each other rather then each of us just trying to "get ours" we will all be at the mercy of those rotten SOB's. Find several brokers with decent rates and lanes you can link together to be where you want to be when you want to be there. Stay loyal to those guys and don't hose them when a better rate comes along. My best loads are never posted, they go right to my most reliable carriers within 2-3 phone calls. I give as good as I get, and donate 10% to charity when ever I hit the jackpot. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong. My conscience is clean and I sleep well though.
 
Flatbed, in answer to your question, NO, I do not screw over my trucks ever! Without them I can not make a living.
Here is how I operate. First, almost every shipper will not give you a rate upfront, or if they do it is a low one, ok. I never even ask my shipper for a rate. First I find a truck that is in position to take a load, then I contact them, give them the specifics on the load and ask them what they need to move it.

Once I have got the trucks flat rate to haul the load from A to B, I give my shipper the trucks rate plus ten percent. So, if you want 1500 to move the load I tell the shipper I need $1650.00 if they want the truck. Say the shipper will only pay $1450.00 in total for the load. I call my truck back and tell the driver, hey look, they will only pay $1450.00 and from that you have to give me 5% if you want the load.

All my drivers know I want 10%, and if I cant get it from the shipper, I cut it in half and take it from the truck. I believe this is fair. The guys that haul my loads think I am fair. Now sometimes I get a load that pays for example $600.00 more than what the driver says he needs, then yes I will keep that and not tell the driver, whether the percentage is 30% or 50%. But thats the benefit of being the broker and having info on how important the load is. Now, at the same time, if the driver gives me some insane low rate, like a dollar a mile, I will tell him I can do better, If he gives me a rate that is way to high, I let him go and move to the next truck. But like I said the other day, 90% of my loads pay $1.80 or better, and right now, most of my loads are $2.00. I only have one shitty lane and its in Colorado.

With all that said, if a broker is getting $2 a mile for all his loads and he only pays $1 then something is wrong. But at the same time, if all trucks refused those low rates the broker would not get away with that either.

I personally do not release my rate sheets because it has alot of information on it that I have worked hard to obtain, and I am not going to just give that over. I could black out certain info, sure, but then half my day would be spent on that and that is not fair to me. My contact, number, offices and all that is not the drivers business. If you really want to know then break out the phone book and start making calls. Yall take care.
Cut out the middle man?
 
If a Broker is making 10% it all comes down to how many loads he moves a week and what kind of money there is in each load, simple as that and that is only common sense.
Every Broker is different and every load pays different. So to answer your question on what a Broker makes a week its all based on those factors, you do the math.
 
I am happy to see this thread come this far....
I think transportation industry has become a chaos, just like stock market or any other market, primarily it is the economic condition, which creates uncertainity and instability among people and everybody wants more for uncertain future. Unfortunately, carriers are the last in hierarchy so suffers the most, then brokers start exploiting the situation because of the pressure from shipper. Brokers by definition are not suppose to create profits through exploitation (funny phrase by broker - i know its not a great rate but at least this will help you get out of California.... hahaha), brokers are suppose to work on commission and act on behalf of shipper and carrier (Broker: $2 permile is ridiculous.... Carrier: What about $1 permile out of Eastcoast) If brokers were fairly practicing their role, freight rate wouldnt be as bad as it is. Now how did it start? It all began not too long ago, it started from the time IT began, collection of information and then manipulating and controlling. Which gave the idea of ICC termination act to help oligopoly. Now, oligopoli was in its full swing parallel with distribution of minimum wealth required to keep system running. This was already an instable market and economy, because it was not based on goodness. Any unstable condition would require a minor trigger action to begin the deterioration. Further with this economic instablity caused by controlling and manipulating market, there were simply more brokers and carriers in the system, more than the business. It could have been better, if brokers were generous to share and carriers were smarter to manage their risk, during deteriorating economic condition.
Friends, it all started from the idea of oligopoly aka mafia. I dont know if anyone has said it before but ima say it, "masters do not make slaves, slaves makes masters"
For O/O and single truck carrier, hope is what helps us survive and grow, not the greed. Rates can not be pushed any lower than what it is, neither by brokers nor by shippers. This was not shipper's controlled anyways, if you believe so. It is carrier's market today, many has already been out of business. I think carrier should not expand until CSA2010 is fully established, it will help increase rates, but after the death of some small carrier companies. Trust in God, it was never you, always been God who brought food to the table for you and your family.
STICK TO THE RATE! this is your future
DO NOT SURVIVE ON DRIVER'S PAY ONLY! this will fade you away
DO NOT BUY BACKHAUL BS! You are an asset based business this is risky
 

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