For those with Omnitracs (Qualcom) elogs

[Mike]

I never talk much about what I do on e-logs, mainly because I know that the powers that be use places like this to gather information for purposes such as this.

That said, now that it will no longer matter, I abused this constantly. Actually, the loophole I like to use, I am not sure if this change catches it or not. It is related, so it might be gone as well, but I will soon test the theory to see what happens. That said, I know this will have an effect on it, because of the time lapse that I have to deal with on short moves.

Basically, if I am only moving like 5 miles at the start of my day, I never start my clock until I am at a that location. Sure, the clock would switch over to driving after I had been driving for 3 minutes or so, but a couple minutes later I would be where I am going, and as soon as I switched it back to off duty, all the time would default back to off-duty. From what @Tazz posted, it looks like that loophole is now dead.

I'm not mad, because I knew it would happen eventually.

They will continue to nail this down to remove any cheating opportunities that they can. What they are doing now though, is likely the biggest loophole that was out there. at least for the qualcomm.

Back at Quality Carriers, you could cheat way more than this, and it was very easy to do. Xata made it very easy to move for long distances without being caught, as long as you were coming back to the same place where you unplugged their black box, LOL.

 

[Blood]

Yep.
The rule isn't even published yet and the chosen (read pay to play) vendors are getting guidance from on high just like a lot of people have been saying for the last 5 years.

And all the boneheads who were saying that they love wearing a f'n dog collar will now see the end result which was the goal all along.
The only thing required by vendors up until now has been to meet the same standard as paper logs and the DMF's who advocate in favor thought that the requirements would never change.


The damn final rule isn't even published yet and the thumbscrews are tightening already!!

SOME OF YOU PEOPLE REALLY PISS ME OFF!!

 

[Blood]

"The only reason to oppose ELD's is so you can cheat."

I've heard that a bunch of times.
The only reason NOT to oppose ELD's is because you thought your own sort of cheating would be accepted practice until the end of time.
IDIOTS!!


Well here you go numbnuts!!
You had to park in the North 40 and now you awaken after 6 or 7 hours with your stomach cramping?

Tough titty!
Suit up and hike your dumb ass up the hill in 20 below while it's sleeting sideways or pouring buckets.
Or crap in your hat, people will just think your brain is leaking out.


Friggin' puppets!!

 

[Duck]

Yep.

I simply can't believe how many people are stupid enough to think that government is ever going to reach a point where it decides it's happy with its current level of power & control.

They believe all these lies about "safety" that government uses to justify their power grabs.

This is in spite of the fact these adults who have been around at least two decades would have had to have been living on Mars to NOT observe how government operates.

We should place bets right now on whether or not government will eventually require the inward facing cameras that DOT can access any time they want.

Pig #1: "that guy just went 12 seconds without checking his mirrors!!"

Pig #2: "Let's go, you grab the cuffs, I'll grab the tazer!"


And there will be plenty of worthless lumps of human DNA who will accept this and keep trucking "because... I have a family to feed & I'm too stupid to do anything else".

 

[Blood]

And another thing...
the stupid-ass Megas who encouraged this BS and were salivating at the prospect of muscling out the ones who they think can't or won't comply are going to get a healthy dose of poetic justice from now until AT LEAST two years from the date that the final rule is published.

Instead of starting the timer 2 or 3 hours after their drivers move into the dock even if they're sleeping on the property, they will be getting empty or loaded calls with 8 or 10 hours available instead of 13 or 14. And it WILL BE full 10 hour breaks. Or the remaining 2 from a split will come off the available hours remaining.

I just finished unloading and then reloading across the street...
I have 6 hours available.

 

[Blood]

You just restarted your break...
WTF!!!

I had to poop.

You pooped yesterday...
tired of the lame excuses for your lack of performance.
We're routing you to the terminal for instruction.
You must complete the training module on time management as a condition of continuing your employment.

SSDD


And much if not most of the delay in publishing a second final rule for EOBR's/ELD's has been for FMCSA to INSURE that driver harassment would NOT be an issue which was the reason that the original final rule was vacated by the courts.

Yeah...
You are definitely going to get your ass sued off again!!

 

[Tazz]

"The only reason to oppose ELD's is so you can cheat."

I've heard that a bunch of times.
The only reason NOT to oppose ELD's is because you thought your own sort of cheating would be accepted practice until the end of time.
IDIOTS!!


Well here you go numbnuts!!
You had to park in the North 40 and now you awaken after 6 or 7 hours with your stomach cramping?

Tough titty!
Suit up and hike your dumb ass up the hill in 20 below while it's sleeting sideways or pouring buckets.
Or crap in your hat, people will just think your brain is leaking out.


Friggin' puppets!!

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You forgot your pals advice oof newspaper and rabbit ears......don't forget the mulch.

 

[Blood]

You forgot your pals advice oof newspaper and rabbit ears......don't forget the mulch.

I didn't forget.
I'm ahead of the curve...
as usual.

 

[Copperhead]

If they change the Qualcomm to trigger driving whenever the truck moves, then simple for me in those limited situations where I need to move the truck a short distance in something like a parking lot or similar. Just switch to Off Duty Driving. No automatic driving trigger then. For those that don't have that option, I feel your pain.

 

[Mike]

Moving the truck won't trigger the drive time automatically.

What we are dealing with here is the situation where people begin driving a couple minutes before there break is up. It takes a couple minutes or so of driving for the Qualcomm to trigger the move and put you on the driving line. At that point, the drive time will start at the minute you actually started moving.

If you are just moving a short distance to reposition the truck, then stopping again before the Qualcomm triggers to move you to driving, you are fine.

It's like we were told here in orientation. You are supposed to be manually changing your duty status, the Qualcomm is only doing what you forgot to do anyway.

The way I look at it, they gave us plenty of rope here, and as usual, we hung ourself.

Will we continue to cheat these things every way possible? Yes. Will they fix every loophole they find? Yes.

We try to go around the insane hours of service in every way possible, rather than fighting to get them changed. They are simply forcing us to follow a rule that we fail to fight.

 

[Blood]

Moving the truck won't trigger the drive time automatically.

What we are dealing with here is the situation where people begin driving a couple minutes before there break is up. It takes a couple minutes or so of driving for the Qualcomm to trigger the move and put you on the driving line. At that point, the drive time will start at the minute you actually started moving.

If you are just moving a short distance to reposition the truck, then stopping again before the Qualcomm triggers to move you to driving, you are fine.

Everyone I know using ELD's has built in cheats that will be coming to end now.
Either a combination of limited time and speed or whatever.

One guy gets up to an hour per day of personal time.
If he can get within an hour of his pickup or delivery before going on break he can delay starting his clock until he's ready to roll.

There are a score of nuances built into ELD's right now because up until now they've only had to meet the same standard as paper logs...
shit's about to get real homey!!

 

[Rigjockey]

I never once thought that the parameters on E-logs would not be tightened up. I for one think that a 14 hour day iss long enough, Even in Canada where you can have a 16 hour day, 14 hours is long enough.

At my company, No one cares how you run your log, As long as you make you appointments.
Being too tired to drive is a valid excuse.

E-logs are not the problem. Pushy and unrealistic dispatchers are the problem.
HOS was designed to protect drivers from companies and dispatchers and yet we fight HOS at every turn.

 

[Copperhead]

I don't view e-logs as a major problem, and use them, nor folks in a cubicle in an operations office. If we can't be adults and do things in an adult manner, then we no longer need to be working together. I will do all I can to satisfy the customer needs, as it is the customer paying for the load, but I am not going to be stupid, and I am not going to take any grief from a dweeb in an office. Been at this too long and more than paid my dues to have some twit tell me how I will do my job. I know the regulations, I determine when loads will be where they are going, and if they cannot be delivered by me at the time the customer wants it, I just let folks in the office know and they can either adjust the delivery time, relay it to another truck, have it dropped at a lot and grab something else, or give me another load choice to go pick up. I am a diligent individual. I manage my time extremely well. I never lack for loads, I don't sit around waiting for loads and mostly have my loads booked 1-2 loads ahead, I grossed over $200K last year, I am home every weekend and holiday with a couple of weeks off a year minimum, and no, I am not on a dedicated run type of thing.

Folks who cannot stand their ground with a nincompoop in a dispatch office either need to deal with it, or pack their stuff and go somewhere else. I view a trucking operation as a team effort. I am not going to take crap off of some idiot in dispatch. The entire trucking spectrum is screaming for drivers. Go somewhere else where people act like adults and quit working with children.

 

[Tazz]

Everyone I know using ELD's has built in cheats that will be coming to end now.
Either a combination of limited time and speed or whatever.

One guy gets up to an hour per day of personal time.
If he can get within an hour of his pickup or delivery before going on break he can delay starting his clock until he's ready to roll.

There are a score of nuances built into ELD's right now because up until now they've only had to meet the same standard as paper logs...
****'s about to get real homey!!

That personal time was to be unladen. If his Bills show him unloading while using it he and his carrier would be screwed. Titan found that out the hard way but the DOT knows numnuts are doing it so they are looking during audits.

Why do people play games instead of just getting more pay for what they do?

 

[Tazz]

I never once thought that the parameters on E-logs would not be tightened up. I for one think that a 14 hour day iss long enough, Even in Canada where you can have a 16 hour day, 14 hours is long enough.

At my company, No one cares how you run your log, As long as you make you appointments.
Being too tired to drive is a valid excuse.

E-logs are not the problem. Pushy and unrealistic dispatchers are the problem.
HOS was designed to protect drivers from companies and dispatchers and yet we fight HOS at every turn.

Just to make life simple I wish we had one 12 hour clock. Hell by the time you pretrip, fuel, take a break they would only be driving 10-11 anyways and it sure as heck would simplify it a bit.

 

[Mike]

Just to make life simple I wish we had one 12 hour clock. Hell by the time you pretrip, fuel, take a break they would only be driving 10-11 anyways and it sure as heck would simplify it a bit.

That and no 70 hour rule. Life would be simple out here at that point.

 

[Tazz]

Oh I am all with ya in nuking the 70 rule.

 

[Duck]

The way ours work, and have always worked, is you can take off at 5 pm and at 5:05 it kicks you onto the drive line, logging from 5 pm when you started moving. But if you stop at 5:04 it won't log it.

It simply won't log any duty status less than 5 minutes.

Like today it only took me 3 minutes to open the hood, climb up on the steer tire diagnose my trashed wiper motor, close the hood and get back in, put seat belt on & hit the brake knobs. So it never even logged my stopstop at that rest area even though I manually changed it to off duty when I first stopped.

 

[Tazz]

Ours log down to two minutes. That was at Omnitracs recommendation for what they will be set at under the replacement for 395.15. Right now companies can custom set their parameters.

 

[Duck]

So what's this whole change going to be about?