For those with Omnitracs (Qualcom) elogs

[mndriver]

Yop. And I do it every log sheet.

All the regulations say is that you have to ensure your truck is safe to operate. Even the guidance tell you that no amount of time is required by fmcsr. Any company that says you must show 15 minutes is doing so as a company policy and not regulation.

Same with the post trip at the end of the day.

Since I got my authority in Aug 2013, I have yet to fill out a dvir. I am not required to. I only have one truck and trailer.

There are a ton of "loop-holes" like this that a driver needs to understand.

 

[Mike]

I show 5 minutes for a pretrip. Schneider has no specific limit. The folks in Edwardsville questioned this on my last yearly road test, and I showed this just how long it takes to look over a truck when you do it everyday.

DVIR isn't required for anybody if there are no problems. That said, Schneider still makes us complete them via the Qualcomm. Takes 2 seconds.

 

[mndriver]

Regulations Section

Question 1: Does §396.11 require the DVIR to be turned in each day by a driver dispatched on a trip of more than one day’s duration?

Guidance: A driver must prepare a DVIR at the completion of each day’s work and shall submit those reports to the motor carrier upon his/her return to the home terminal. This does not relieve the motor carrier from the responsibility of effecting repairs and certification of any items listed on the DVIR, prepared at the end of each day’s work, that would be likely to affect the safety of the operation of the motor vehicle.

Question 2: Does §396.11 require that the power unit and the trailer be inspected?

Guidance: Yes. A driver must be satisfied that both the power unit and the trailer are in safe operating condition before operating the combination.


Question 25: Section 396.11 requires the driver, at the completion of each day’s work, to prepare a written report on each vehicle operated that day. Does this section require a "post trip inspection" of the kind described in §396.15?

Guidance: No. However, the written report must include all defects in the parts and accessories listed in §396.11(a) that were discovered by or reported to the driver during that day.

You are required to only complete the DVIR at the END of the day. At the beginning of the day, you are only required to ensure it is in safe operating condition.

Having said that, as you are operating the truck continuously during the day and you haven't left it over night. You haven't had to get any repairs done etc. Why are you showing any on-duty time even if it is under 7 minutes time to complete a walk around on the truck.

A spot check can be as simple as walking away from the truck on one side and returning on the other. Kicking the tires as you go.

It may seem silly to walk away from your truck with the lights all on and the 4-way flashers going as well. But if you can see all your lights working as you walk in for turning in or picking up your paperwork at a shipper/receiver, haven't you just inspected your lights as you walk to/from your truck? Same with the glow of your brake lights on the building as you back into your loading dock.

all things you can do to minimize the time it takes to do an inspection.

You have to check your oil when you fuel. (at least you should be). Or washing your windows while fueling. You can inspect and look at a lot of things on your truck when you fuel up and are waiting for the pumps to run.


now if you are slip-seating a truck and changing equipment constantly, you can bet all things are off and a more different approach will be taken.

 

[Tazz]

Well, technically, by regulation,....

If you aren't compensated for your time to pretrip, post trip or repair your truck.


It's not ON-DUTY.

Please show me where the word compensation or pay is used in the definition of on duty.

 

[mndriver]

Please show me where the word compensation or pay is used in the definition of on duty.

You're correct

Regulations Section


Regulations Section

 

[Injun]

Regulations Section



You are required to only complete the DVIR at the END of the day. At the beginning of the day, you are only required to ensure it is in safe operating condition.

Having said that, as you are operating the truck continuously during the day and you haven't left it over night. You haven't had to get any repairs done etc. Why are you showing any on-duty time even if it is under 7 minutes time to complete a walk around on the truck.

A spot check can be as simple as walking away from the truck on one side and returning on the other. Kicking the tires as you go.

It may seem silly to walk away from your truck with the lights all on and the 4-way flashers going as well. But if you can see all your lights working as you walk in for turning in or picking up your paperwork at a shipper/receiver, haven't you just inspected your lights as you walk to/from your truck? Same with the glow of your brake lights on the building as you back into your loading dock.

all things you can do to minimize the time it takes to do an inspection.

You have to check your oil when you fuel. (at least you should be). Or washing your windows while fueling. You can inspect and look at a lot of things on your truck when you fuel up and are waiting for the pumps to run.


now if you are slip-seating a truck and changing equipment constantly, you can bet all things are off and a more different approach will be taken.

Did the "final" rule get changed AGAIN??

Inspection, Repair, and Maintenance; Driver-Vehicle Inspection Report (DVIR)

Dec 9, 2014:

FMCSA rescinds the requirement that commercial motor vehicle (CMV) drivers operating in interstate commerce, except drivers of passenger-carrying CMVs, submit, and motor carriers retain, DVIRs when the driver has neither found nor been made aware of any vehicle defects or deficiencies.

 

[mndriver]

No, it didn't get changed again.

A clean inspection no longer has to be filled out. But the regs don't appear to reflect that fact yet.