Confirmed: E-logs suck

[Tazz]

That is the primary problem....You consider yourself to be so much brighter than all of us poor dumb assholes.

You are not as bright as you think you are.

I am therefore I'll think. I can not help how, if, when, or to what degree others choose to think or not. I do not consider anyone poor, dumb, or an asshole for those decisions.

So to extend your line of thinking, as you do with everyone else's thoughts....

Let's just stop painting lines on roads to differentiate lanes and stop with the cross walks and any other traffic control devices.

Let's just allow people to work it out among themselves.

To some extents yes. Now when we have two six lane thoroughfares at an intersection the efficient way to control it is through lights.Metro areas were movement can be timed for more efficiency need them as well. However people are inundated with pointless signs and traffic controls daily that turn us into cars instead of men.





All those divided highways in Misery have stop signs in the crossovers. Why? I see no purpose in them. People should be able to figure out if they are clear to turn.

Falling rock signs in the Gorge. What the truck are we supposed to do with that information?

The intersection here by the house. Two four way stops within 30 feet of each other(It's a screwy set of intersections) why? We can see who is coming and going. I think we could function just fine without them.

Do we really need yield signs on on ramps? The person entering into the lane of travel has the obligation yes? So why have them?

Some I understand. School Zone Warnings, steep hills with sharp curves. Telling me a moose or deer lives in the forest and may be in the highway is pointless.

Making a four way stop that sees maybe a dozen vehicles all day long useless. Stoplight more so.

 

[Duck]

All an elog does is enforce HOS. Nothing more nothing less.

No, .... Police (DOT) enforce the HOS. And they have plenty of ways to do that without needing a machine to log everything we do.

Nope. The founding fathers opposed laws applying to them but not the men who made them(Hint hint Sept 9th).

What are you talking about? They WENT TO WAR against the men who made & enforced those laws.

And you are picking and choosing.

What's wrong with that? Hordes of people chose to violate the ban on alcohol. Nowhere near as many chose to violate the laws that DID make sense, like the laws against murder, theft, arson, etc.

Harassing people you don't like those inspections you mention, four wheelers and all "those" people. But making you toe the line, well hell thats just absurd

Not irony. When people impede traffic, they're creating a dangerous situation & pissing people off. Therefore it should be illegal. If a truck driver goes a few minutes over his hours to get to a parking spot, he's not hurting a damn thing, except if he hides it successfully, he's depriving the DOT of some fine revenue.

See Irony:

a (1) : claiming to be a patriot while supporting Big Government's invasive monitoring devices in privately owned vehicles

Fixed

If you'll pay attention I said your driver should have just driven down the road to a safe parking place. Well he should have stood up long before that and not placed himself in that position, but after he got where he was the logical choice was to proceed. However he should be honest enough to record it as it happened.

Government lies to us on a daily basis. Why should we be any different to them?

Once again they revolted over personal choices kinda like drug users now. It is not the same as rules for using your driving privilege.

How it it not the same? Government passed a stupid law the people didn't want. The people refused to abide by it. Government gave up & repealed the law. It's an example of civil disobedience being used by people with the balls to actually stand up for what they believed in, and actually achieving positive results. It's what needs to happen with all of the bullshit laws that are imposed on us today.

Nothing wrong with roundabouts, though some could be constructed wider to make life easier.

The problem with round-abouts is that if they're constructed wide enough for trucks not to run over the flowers in the middle with their off-tracking, the 4 wheelers think there's an inner & an outer lane & will attempt to pass you. I've had that happen & have had to lock up the brakes & jerk the truck to a stop to avoid running over those idiots before.

 

[Duck]

Tazz, can you separate your post into two separate parts, so the part that doesn't make sense can be one post, but the part that does, is a different post so I can click the "like" button on it?

Everything from this sentence to the end:

To some extents yes.

is worthy of a "like" but the first half is just the Kool-Aid talk.

Except this sentence:

However people are inundated with pointless signs and traffic controls daily that turn us into cars instead of men.

Are you talking about Transformers? How do they turn us into cars?



Ok now @DubbleD's REALLY gonna think I need to go to sleep, LOL.

 

[Tazz]

Well we are once again chasing our proverbial tails. My only advice Duck is to get over it because they are coming across the board, and like I have to follow the 70 hour rule or choose to leave you'll have to make the same decision. Well I guess the decision is made as your working on elogs now.


I gotta finish up my yard work so I can go to Wisconsin.

 

[Duck]

Making a four way stop that sees maybe a dozen vehicles all day long useless. Stoplight more so.

Whenever you see a stop sign at a rural intersection, where one of the two roads is frequently traveled but the other is just a goat path that sees 1 or 2 cars a day, here's why:

At some point in time, there was a fatality accident there, and the person who died was either a relative of a local bureaucrat, or was a young person still in high school and the accident invoked lots of emotion in the community, and the local bureaucrats were pressured into "doing something" and so they put a stop sign there "so this kind of tragedy will never happen again".

There's one of those in Lockport, IL that annoys the shit out of me every other Saturday when I have to take Mrs. Duck to hang out with her parents. Back in the early 1990's there was a carload of drunk teenagers killed at that intersection because they were on the goat path & pulled out in front of somebody who was going 55 mph on the frequently traveled, rural back-road. The city decided to put a pointless stop sign there & I don't even want to think of how many gallons of gas have been wasted by re-accelerating a car to 55 mph from a dead stop they didn't need to make.

 

[Tazz]

Duck it is my firm belief having that armor of a car around people makes them behave in a belligerent manner they would otherwise not assume if interacting directly.

Kinda like the CB, or keyboard commandos will puff up like a poppin jay but very few would repeat their words face to face.

They tailgate with the thought" My car can dent yours'. If they had to drive strapped to the front bumper I assure you they would drive different. Ny thoughts apply to signs as well. I watch people speed up so merging becomes more difficult for those having to yield. I suppose so that they can be ahead of that one more car.

But I watch at the local market with no yield or stop signs as people courteously make it down aisles and around corners without running carts into each other, violent displays of fist waving and finger extensions. I do not think it is cowardice, but rather a perception in a car as opposed to just interacting with each other(which is basically all we do when we drive a car when you boil it down). The only variable is the vehicle.

Now seriously I gotta go mow before I lose Pepper in the grass

 

[Duck]

Well we are once again chasing our proverbial tails. My only advice Duck is to get over it because they are coming across the board, and like I have to follow the 70 hour rule or choose to leave you'll have to make the same decision. Well I guess the decision is made as your working on elogs now.

Yes I'm on e-logs right now. But I haven't been brain-damaged by the associated Kool-Aid. Currently my company's office workers will edit driving time in certain unforseeable situations, and other times I've boldly used "personal conveyance" improperly. But there will come a time when they're no longer able to edit stuff, and we won't even be able to move the truck from a staging area to a loading dock without it logging it as driving and either causing a violation or interrupting a break.

Duck it is my firm belief having that armor of a car around people makes them behave in a belligerent manner they would otherwise not assume if interacting directly

That is 100% correct. Especially when it comes to cutting in line. Like when there's a lane closure & plenty of signs saying "left lane closed" but as normal people vacate the left lane, it starts moving faster, so people stay in the left lane until the actual forced merge point, then they force their way in.

Kinda like the CB, or keyboard commandos will puff up like a poppin jay but very few would repeat their words face to face

I'm one of a few people who will sit & make the same argument to your face that I'll make on here.

They tailgate with the thought" My car can dent yours'. If they had to drive strapped to the front bumper I assure you they would drive different. Ny thoughts apply to signs as well. I watch people speed up so merging becomes more difficult for those having to yield. I suppose so that they can be ahead of that one more car.

But I watch at the local market with no yield or stop signs as people courteously make it down aisles and around corners without running carts into each other, violent displays of fist waving and finger extensions. I do not think it is cowardice, but rather a perception in a car as opposed to just interacting with each other(which is basically all we do when we drive a car when you boil it down). The only variable is the vehicle.

That's mostly true. But I've also noticed that at the grocery store, people will rudely stop & leave their cart blocking an aisle while they stand there & read the ingredients on a package. If they did that in their car, they'd get honked at. Sometimes I've wished I had a little bicycle horn on a shopping cart handle just as a joke.

 

[blackw900]

Yes I'm on e-logs right now. But I haven't been brain-damaged by the associated Kool-Aid. Currently my company's office workers will edit driving time in certain unforseeable situations, and other times I've boldly used "personal conveyance" improperly. But there will come a time when they're no longer able to edit stuff, and we won't even be able to move the truck from a staging area to a loading dock without it logging it as driving and either causing a violation or interrupting a break.

So then when that happens....Just sit at the dock and tell them you can't move the truck.
If some storm trooper tells you. you have to move it or go to jail....Go to jail and then get a lawyer and fight it out.
How can they arrest you for refusing to violate the law?
How can they make that stick?

They can't have it both ways....

Don't get me wrong here....I think e-logs are ridiculous and should never be mandated in a (supposedly) free society, but until someone takes a stand against the idiotic rules and mandates, they'll keep shoving them down our throats.

If it ever happens to me, I'll sit right there and tell then to Phuck Off!

 

[Duck]

If some storm trooper tells you. you have to move it or go to jail....Go to jail and then get a lawyer and fight it out.

Why should I have to pay a lawyer? They're extremely expensive. I shouldn't have to be in a situation where I have to break one law in order to NOT break another. That's the problem with having too much government meddling in our affairs.
As of right now, unless I'm at a HUGE place (bigger than a Walmart DC) I can move the truck a short distance from a staging area to a dock, then back to the staging area without it changing duty status, however,.. the truck will still log it's GPS coordinates so if some government ass hole, (or a gold-digging lawyer trying to get himself justifiably killed) digs through deep enough, he'd be able to tell the truck was moved while the duty status showed "sleeper" when it should've been (on private property) "ON DUTY".

 

[patriciajnsn]

So then when that happens....Just sit at the dock and tell them you can't move the truck.
If some storm trooper tells you. you have to move it or go to jail....Go to jail and then get a lawyer and fight it out.
How can they arrest you for refusing to violate the law?
How can they make that stick?

They can't have it both ways....

Don't get me wrong here....I think e-logs are ridiculous and should never be mandated in a (supposedly) free society, but until someone takes a stand against the idiotic rules and mandates, they'll keep shoving them down our throats.

If it ever happens to me, I'll sit right there and tell then to Phuck Off!

All excellent points.I like your way of thinking.

 

[GroceryHauler]

What's so crappy about it? Looking at satellite images of the area, it looks like a cool place to live if you have a boat.

It's gone downhill over the years. It's dirty, run-down and depressing. The river stinks and the people smell worse. No civic pride or motivation to clean up the town.

 

[freedhardwoods]

Good point but do we need a red light every 500 feet? When I first got my license you could get on Weber Rd. make it from Crest Hill, IL (north side of Joliet) to I-55 in Romeoville in 10 minutes. Now it's more like 30-40 minutes. It's worse than US Rt. 30 though northwest Indiana. At some point they gotta draw the line & either say "no more new neighborhoods" or they gotta simply quit putting in intersections to provide access to/from those new neighborhoods. Let them Chicago escapees find some other way to get to Walmart. I don't give a damn.

Anyone remember "Escape From New York"?

I say lets start building walls around some of these cities. That would solve a multitude of problems. Anyone with any brains would leave before the wall was done. The ones not smart enough to leave belong there anyway.

 

[Blood]

I would like to humbly & respectfully withdraw my derogatory & ill advised remark about kicking a puppy.
Furthermore, I offer a heartfelt apology for the offensive remark along with my absolute promise that no such utterance shall ever again be key'd by my hand. It is my hope that this unfortunate incident can be relegated to the past and that going forward the victims of my vicious remark might find it in their hearts to forgive me.

Thank you for your consideration.


BTW...
WHICH ONE OF YOU PRINKS LET THE DOGS OUT!!???

 

[Rigjockey]

..
WHICH ONE OF YOU PRINKS LET THE DOGS OUT!!???

Reminds me of the Carnival festival they have here every year. That was a big song during playing mass. Gun shots rang out and my dumb assed Gf goes running toward them. we all ran the other way. I got to turn back and get her and tell her away from the gun shots, Not toward them.

 

[Duck]

Reminds me of the Carnival festival they have here every year. That was a big song during playing mask. Gun shots rang out and my dumb assed Gf goes running toward them. we all ran the other way. I got to turn back and get her and tell her away from the gun shots, Not toward them.

Was she blonde?

 

[Rigjockey]

Was she blonde?

Not quite. Half Jamaican, Half British and corn fed. raised up proper and no street knowledge.

 

[Blood]

So then when that happens....Just sit at the dock and tell them you can't move the truck.
If some storm trooper tells you. you have to move it or go to jail....Go to jail and then get a lawyer and fight it out.
How can they arrest you for refusing to violate the law?
How can they make that stick?

They can't have it both ways....

Don't get me wrong here....I think e-logs are ridiculous and should never be mandated in a (supposedly) free society, but until someone takes a stand against the idiotic rules and mandates, they'll keep shoving them down our throats.

If it ever happens to me, I'll sit right there and tell then to Phuck Off!

I understand the sentiment (and agree, in spirit) but your obligation under FMCSA regs doesn't supersede the private property rights of the owner. It will (probably) stick because you aren't going to be cited or arrested for refusing to violate HOS regs. You are going to be cited or arrested for trespassing, which you will be guilty of as soon as you refuse the owners demand to vacate.

The fact that you are there at their bequest offers you no right to remain once you are asked to leave.

And the fact that by leaving you will be in violation of law in no way obligates the property owner to accommodate you.

Sad but true.

 

[blackw900]

I understand the sentiment (and agree, in spirit) but your obligation under FMCSA regs doesn't supersede the private property rights of the owner. It will (probably) stick because you aren't going to be cited or arrested for refusing to violate HOS regs. You are going to be cited or arrested for trespassing, which you will be guilty of as soon as you refuse the owners demand to vacate.

The fact that you are there at their bequest offers you no right to remain once you are asked to leave.

And the fact that by leaving you will be in violation of law in no way obligates the property owner to accommodate you.

Sad but true.

We'll see, If it ever happens.
Simply put, They still can't have this both ways, creating an impossible situation for a driver so that no matter what he does, he is in violation of the law is setting this up to be a powder keg that will eventually explode.

I have never been put in that situation because I don't deliver or pick up anywhere that wastes a drivers time and if I ever went to a place like that, I would leave as soon as I realized that they were going to treat me like that.

If I ever found myself in that situation, I would allow myself to be arrested and then I would start a case that would at least bring the situation to light and possibly get something done about it.

One of the problems in our society today is that we see something that is inherently wrong being done to us and we as a society sit around and allow it to happen "unchallenged" and whine about how, "That's just the way it is" and it can't be changed.

I don't and won't accept that without a fight...Never have.

 

[Tazz]

Well Dante's Playground is about to get chilly. But on that I agree. That was why I said the driver chose to be on the side of the road, not the elogs.

He could have left, he chose to stay.

 

[Duck]

Well Dante's Playground is about to get chilly. But on that I agree. That was why I said the driver chose to be on the side of the road, not the elogs.

He could have left, he chose to stay.

Yeah, .... just like he CHOSE not to indulge in cannibalism that day.