Confirmed: E-logs suck

[Tazz]

So....Why the extreme scenario?
That argument is like the old sorryassed "What if you kill a family on vacation in a mini van?" because you are going 70 instead of 60.
It's just stupid.



Again with the extreme scenario....

It is simple either we combine to fund, build, maintain, and regulate highways or we don't. A=A You can not demand roads for unlimited use and expect it to be unconditional. Duck is quite convinced there should be no oversight. Well without oversight nothing is illegal. Those drivers lying to cover for shippers receivers will now run until they drop.

Yeah they will, they have demonstrated they lack the will to stand up to a company. See there they have to face the consequences of their actions immediately, instead of the rush of sticking it to the man. So when the company demands they meet a schedule after the shipper bones them for ( by the stories placed in this thread) hours on end they will make the run regardless.

Drunk drivers would now be legal. Dope heads now legal. Proof of insurance pishaw. Why follow a red light? The fuggers should just let you be you and stay out of your way.(1)

70 hell. Lets have people doing 80-85 or 100+ what could possibly go wrong with that? Gonna be some back ups as the clean up crews pick up the carnage.......Oh wait I forgot we will have no rules, well because the government should not make them, so we can just pile up the wrecks and bodies on the side of the roads. Problem solved.

That guy that feels your impeding his use, well he can nudge you right out of his way. Oh you can nudge back. But your right it would never come to that right? Because people are so courteous on the roads now right











See either we have rule of law, or not. Now can we discuss laws, attempt to change them? Sure, but everyone gets a vote. If we decide we as individuals do not need to follow them, then nobody does.












1:I would actually like to see less red lights in towns. More intersections where people have to actually interact to decide whom goes first would lesson the invincible feeling people get in their vehicles.

 

[Tazz]

Nah @Thugg just giving @Injun @Whirlwind and the female contingent eye candy too

 

[blackw900]

It is simple either we combine to fund, build, maintain, and regulate highways or we don't. A=A You can not demand roads for unlimited use and expect it to be unconditional. Duck is quite convinced there should be no oversight. Well without oversight nothing is illegal. Those drivers lying to cover for shippers receivers will now run until they drop.

Because he doesn't like an e-log mandate?
We have a system in place to build and maintain roads, but until we can reign in our government, it will continue to be bastardized by them.

Drunk drivers would now be legal.

I've never seen that advocated here...

Dope heads now legal.

You're the one that is always advocating making all drugs legal....

Proof of insurance pishaw. Why follow a red light? The fuggers should just let you be you and stay out of your way.(1)

Again with the extreme scenarios....

70 hell. Lets have people doing 80-85 or 100+ what could possibly go wrong with that? Gonna be some back ups as the clean up crews pick up the carnage.

And again....

Oh wait I forgot we will have no rules, well because the government should not make them, so we can just pile up the wrecks and bodies on the side of the roads. Problem solved.

No one here is advocating that the government should "make no rules", but you and all of the other koolaid drinkers seem to think that they have the right to tell me to waste money on a system that I don't need because I don't run illegally.

You all seem to have this mentality that...."If you have nothing to hide, why not let them search you?"
I don't buy into that bullshit.

That was the mantra of the Nazis and the Communist Dictators.
You can keep that....I'm not interested.

 

[Duck]

It is simple either we combine to fund, build, maintain, and regulate highways or we don't. A=A You can not demand roads for unlimited use and expect it to be unconditional. Duck is quite convinced there should be no oversight. Well without oversight nothing is illegal. Those drivers lying to cover for shippers receivers will now run until they drop.

So you're saying that the trucking industry was completely & totally unregulated until the first e-logs were developed & put in use? That's really what you're saying.

Drunk drivers would now be legal. Dope heads now legal. Proof of insurance pishaw. Why follow a red light? The fuggers should just let you be you and stay out of your way.

70 hell. Lets have people doing 80-85 or 100+ what could possibly go wrong with that? Gonna be some back ups as the clean up crews pick up the carnage.......Oh wait I forgot we will have no rules, well because the government should not make them, so we can just pile up the wrecks and bodies on the side of the roads. Problem solved.

Yeah. If the government doesn't mandate e-logs for truckers, there will be no way to enforce ANY traffic laws.
You're just being stupid on purpose now.

That guy that feels your impeding his use, well he can nudge you right out of his way. Oh you can nudge back. But your right it would never come to that right? Because people are so courteous on the roads now right

Now you're starting to make a little more sense. Maybe it SHOULD be legal to run people off the road if they're going 45 in a 55. Then those slow-ass bastards would speed the truck up & quit impeding traffic

See either we have rule of law, or not. Now can we discuss laws, attempt to change them? Sure, but everyone gets a vote. If we decide we as individuals do not need to follow them, then nobody does.

We've gotten to the point where laws are getting so ridiculous that I consider it an insult to my own intelligence to be expected to abide by them. Telling me I can't smoke a cigarette OUTDOORS, when I'm nowhere near a source of flammable materials or anything, because some MORON thinks that he's going to drop dead of "second hand smoke" is an insult & I refuse to abide by it. That doesn't mean I want complete anarchy. No. What I want is civil disobedience on a massive scale whenever the government passes ridiculous laws that accomplish nothing but make life more of a pain in the ass for everyone.

I would actually like to see less red lights in towns. More intersections where people have to actually interact to decide whom goes first would lesson the invincible feeling people get in their vehicles.

I would also like to see fewer red lights. They need to stick with the "throughfare gets priority" system & put the stop sign on the smaller crossroad & make all those bastards in the new yuppy neighborhoods that weren't there yesterday wait for a break in traffic before they pull out. Even if they have to sit there for 20 minutes during rush hour. If you lived in the area where I grew up, you'd understand what I'm talking about.

 

[Thugg]

Nah @Thugg just giving @Injun @Whirlwind and the female contingent eye candy too

Huh?



Oh well.

ORGY!!!!

 

[blackw900]

I would also like to see fewer red lights. They need to stick with the "throughfare gets priority" system & put the stop sign on the smaller crossroad & make all those bastards in the new yuppy neighborhoods that weren't there yesterday wait for a break in traffic before they pull out. Even if they have to sit there for 20 minutes during rush hour. If you lived in the area where I grew up, you'd understand what I'm talking about.

You lost me there....Because, that's just not a sensible idea.
Cities and towns change, they add streets as population increases and have to keep traffic flowing.
Sadly, the people that have lived there for years get upset that they now have some more lights to deal with, but to make someone sit at a stop sign for 20 minutes is not a viable plan, because they will not sit there that long and will do something stupid to get through and will more than likely cause accidents in the process.

People these days have such a "Me first" mentality that it makes stop signs almost obsolete because if people see you sitting at a stop sign nowadays, they race to see if they can keep you sitting there rather than slowing a little bit to allow you time to move.

Maybe we need more traffic lights....Because if Tazz doesn't like traffic lights, there must be something inherently good about them.

 

[patriciajnsn]

I just went into town for cigarettes. On my way into town, there was a US Xpress parked in a little gravel pullover area just outside of town, with his 4-ways on.

On my way home he was still there. So I stopped & asked if he was alright. US Xpress & Werner trucks frequently get lost in & around that town because I think both companies have some bad directions in their systems. And I also see trucks stop for a minute or two in that spot but never hang out long. I did it once simply because a shipper kicked me out IMMEDIATELY after I was loaded & didn't even give me time to update my paper log.

I'm wearing a Kenworth t-shirt so he realized I was a truck driver & didn't waste any time trying to dumb-down his explanation. A shipper about a mile away detained him until he was out of hours, then made him leave. I know the place. It's a fenced-in, gated facility & they chain the gate shut when they close for the day. Between the gate & the street, there's no room for a truck & all up & down that street there are "no parking" signs. And there are no grease stains on the pavement from parked trucks, so I know it's enforced. All or most of those places in that industrial park are like that.

His e-log parameters are set so he could only "limp" for about a mile, and he left thinking he'd probably find some place to stop. The only place in the area was that gravel pullover area right on the north edge of town where the speed limit goes up to 55.

He needs to sit there for about another 90 minutes. I asked if he could limp another 2.5 miles & he couldn't. There's a little business park with a tire shop, small O/O fleet, truck repair shop & a flatbed trailer dealer and they're all closed & there's no fence & plenty of room, but he couldn't move another inch without getting a violation.

So he has to sit on the side of a 4 lane highway with a 55 speed limit (and 65 mph traffic) parked with his truck less than a foot from the pavement. His mirror was directly over the white line.

WTF?

This is one of the cases where the laws are meant to be broken applies,I would have said f the law f my company and be bopped to a safe haven.

 

[DubbleD]

I'm done arguing with you Tazz. Your defense of Big Government sticking it's nose in our business is sickening.

Duck, yer stuck on gubmint involvement in tracking you but fail to understand its the company, not the gubmint.

Additionally, your tracked movements are of no interest to gubmint; your movements are of importance to attorneys representing your victims, and knowing movement is tracked by companies using electronic devices will subpoena those records.

DOT is only interested in compliance and violations. They write tickets, FMCSA is notified and assesses points to those involved.

You're whipping the wrong dog!

 

[Duck]

You lost me there....Because, that's just not a sensible idea.
Cities and towns change, they add streets as population increases and have to keep traffic flowing.
Sadly, the people that have lived there for years get upset that they now have some more lights to deal with, but to make someone sit at a stop sign for 20 minutes is not a viable plan, because they will not sit there that long and will do something stupid to get through and will more than likely cause accidents in the process.

People these days have such a "Me first" mentality that it makes stop signs almost obsolete because if people see you sitting at a stop sign nowadays, they race to see if they can keep you sitting there rather than slowing a little bit to allow you time to move.

Maybe we need more traffic lights....Because if Tazz doesn't like traffic lights, there must be something inherently good about them.

Good point but do we need a red light every 500 feet? When I first got my license you could get on Weber Rd. make it from Crest Hill, IL (north side of Joliet) to I-55 in Romeoville in 10 minutes. Now it's more like 30-40 minutes. It's worse than US Rt. 30 though northwest Indiana. At some point they gotta draw the line & either say "no more new neighborhoods" or they gotta simply quit putting in intersections to provide access to/from those new neighborhoods. Let them Chicago escapees find some other way to get to Walmart. I don't give a damn.

Duck, yer stuck on gubmint involvement in tracking you but fail to understand its the company, not the gubmint.

Additionally, your tracked movements are of no interest to gubmint; your movements are of importance to attorneys representing your victims, and knowing movement is tracked by companies using electronic devices will subpoena those records.

DOT is only interested in compliance and violations. They write tickets, FMCSA is notified and assesses points to those involved.

You're whipping the wrong dog!

Nope. My company wouldn't have e-logs if it wasn't for them being paranoid & scared of Big Brother.
And the lawyers having access to that tracking data is all the more reason to oppose it. Throw out the tollway transponders, throw out the PrePass, throw out your top copy of CAT scale receipts, etc. We don't need to be tracked. Nothing good can come of it.

 

[Tazz]

Nope. Just addressing Ducks argument. He feels they have no right to enforce existing HOS regs despite the fact they are enforced now. Granted the new tracking system will be more stringent which is by his own admission is his primary dislike for them. He is advocating picking and choosing which laws should be followed and enforced. My question to him is who decides what laws we follow, what do we do when people refuse to follow them?

Yeah I say end the war on drugs. But You and Duck presume to poke the governments nose into private homes to prohibit drug use, and scream bloody murder that inspections of a commercial vehicle on a public road is a violation of your 4th Am. You have even made statements that cops should go after four wheelers with a vengeance for impeding your way, driving like asshats, daring to invade your left lane. Pot meet kettle huh?


Right now you have a myriad of required equipment, your even required to keep RODS now,elogs will be nothing else. And with units down around $400 and monthly fees in the $10 range cost is not an issue in my opinion. I'll bet with a couple of tweak's DDL is gonna be within the specs when the Feds post the new NPRM.

DO the HOS need changes? Sure. The 70 hour rule and this insipid 1-5 in restarts is ignorant of how this industry runs. And the lovely 30 minute break all the drivers begged for is unnecessary. I have no issue with the 14 hour clock. Get up do your work, take a break. '

ah but that is probably for another discussion.


I do not expect you to understand that a removal of some of these red lights would curb that me first mentality. People feel braver when they have interaction removed from the equation. I see all kinds of shipper receivers with tight driveways where people work together to get in and out. Both trucks and four wheelers, but give them a couple arbitrary lines in the same confined space and it becomes "Hell this is my damn lane you wait while I clear it"

If people were forced to engage people instead of having a machine do the interaction for them(the controllers for red lights) that feeling of invincibility would go away. Now obviously some major thoroughfares need them. But alot of roads could use a roundabout or four way yield intersection.

 

[Thugg]

You're whipping the wrong dog!

Bad analogy! Grrr......

 

[Tazz]

Salve brother, let me finish my beer and I will reason with him.

 

[Duck]

Nope. Just addressing Ducks argument. He feels they have no right to enforce existing HOS regs despite the fact they are enforced now. Granted the new tracking system will be more stringent which is by his own admission is his primary dislike for them.

Electronic monitoring is not enforcement. It's nit-picking, badgering, stalking, invasion of privacy, etc. Your logic here, that they can't enforce HOS without electronic tracking devices is just as stupid as saying they can't enforce laws against rape without installing cameras on your wee-wee.

He is advocating picking and choosing which laws should be followed and enforced.

I sure as flippin' hell AM. That's what got us free from England in the late 1700's. We decided enough was enough & quit obeying the bullshit laws that were imposed on us.

My question to him is who decides what laws we follow, what do we do when people refuse to follow them

They should stop & ask themselves WHY are people refusing to follow this one particular law, realize it's a ridiculous law, and change it. OR, .. lacking the common sense to do that, they should at least see all the metaphorical flaming pitchforks as a threat to their next re-election.

Yeah I say end the war on drugs. But You and Duck presume to poke the governments nose into private homes to prohibit drug use, ...

When the fuck have I EVER ONCE suggested the government needs to stick it's nose into private homes to enforce ANYTHING?

and scream bloody murder that inspections of a commercial vehicle on a public road is a violation of your 4th Am.

I've never said that either. I'm talking about e-logs. If they want to check some falling apart 20 yr old Freightliner driven by an illegal immigrant from Poland or Russia, let them.

You have even made statements that cops should go after four wheelers with a vengeance for impeding your way, driving like asshats, daring to invade your left lane. Pot meet kettle huh?

Those people present a risk to public safety and a major inconvenience to everyone else on the road. Driving a few minutes over your 11 or 14 to get somewhere safe to park & sleep is not a danger to anyone, in spite of what the voices in your head may tell you after drinking the PATT Kool-aid.

Right now you have a myriad of required equipment, your even required to keep RODS now,elogs will be nothing else. And with units down around $400 and monthly fees in the $10 range cost is not an issue in my opinion. I'll bet with a couple of tweak's DDL is gonna be within the specs when the Feds post the new NPRM.

Within a couple of tweaks? You seem like you're kinda tweaked right now.

DO the HOS need changes? Sure. The 70 hour rule and this insipid 1-5 in restarts is ignorant of how this industry runs. And the lovely 30 minute break all the drivers begged for is unnecessary. I have no issue with the 14 hour clock. Get up do your work, take a break. '

What people have always done when laws don't make sense, is VIOLATE THEM. Develop the balls to enact your own "do-it-anyway" policy. Just make it look right on paper. It's the American way. Look what happened when masses of people refused to obey the Constitutional amendment prohibiting the consumption of alcohol? Those were heroes in my book. They were Americans. Government had no business banning alcohol, and the people knew it, and the only thing they did differently was hide it from the pigs. When the government realized it was a lost cause and they'd never get the people to comply, they repealed it.

I do not expect you to understand that a removal of some of these red lights would curb that me first mentality. People feel braver when they have interaction removed from the equation. I see all kinds of shipper receivers with tight driveways where people work together to get in and out. Both trucks and four wheelers, but give them a couple arbitrary lines in the same confined space and it becomes "Hell this is my damn lane you wait while I clear it"

Now you're starting to make a little sense.

If people were forced to engage people instead of having a machine do the interaction for them(the controllers for red lights) that feeling of invincibility would go away. Now obviously some major thoroughfares need them. But alot of roads could use a roundabout or four way yield intersection.

Nope. Never mind. You had me for a minute there, until you suggested installing more ROUNDABOUTS. I haven't met a truck driver yet who doesn't hate those things.

 

[Thugg]

Salve brother, let me finish my beer and I will reason with him.

The forum just asked me "Are you sure you want to like this post?" I had to think. Why should I need to think? Thinking is for humans. I'm just a dog.

 

[DubbleD]

Hopeless.

 

[DubbleD]

@Duck, get some sleep.

 

[Duck]

Hopeless.

That's correct. This country is hopeless.

@Duck, get some sleep.

No. Too lazy.

 

[blackw900]

Yeah I say end the war on drugs. But You and Duck presume to poke the governments nose into private homes to prohibit drug use, and scream bloody murder that inspections of a commercial vehicle on a public road is a violation of your 4th Am.

Again you assume too much...I don't care what anyone does in the privacy of their own home and don't believe that it's the governments business.
You want to take dope? Cool, don't get caught out in the world under the influence or carrying an illegal substance...But in your own home, So what?

I have no problem with my truck being inspected or a storm trooper looking at my log, but I don't want or need a machine to keep the log for me.

You have even made statements that cops should go after four wheelers with a vengeance for impeding your way, driving like asshats, daring to invade your left lane. Pot meet kettle huh?

So....Stopping a four wheeler for making a dangerous maneuver around my truck or any other vehicle for that matter equates to e-logs?

DO the HOS need changes? Sure. The 70 hour rule and this insipid 1-5 in restarts is ignorant of how this industry runs. And the lovely 30 minute break all the drivers begged for is unnecessary. I have no issue with the 14 hour clock. Get up do your work, take a break. '

I am one of the very few drivers that doesn't have a problem with the HOS....They're silly as they are right now but other than that, they cause me no problems.

I do not expect you to understand that a removal of some of these red lights would curb that me first mentality.

That is the primary problem....You consider yourself to be so much brighter than all of us poor dumb assholes.

You are not as bright as you think you are.

People feel braver when they have interaction removed from the equation. I see all kinds of shipper receivers with tight driveways where people work together to get in and out. Both trucks and four wheelers, but give them a couple arbitrary lines in the same confined space and it becomes "Hell this is my damn lane you wait while I clear it"

If people were forced to engage people instead of having a machine do the interaction for them(the controllers for red lights) that feeling of invincibility would go away. Now obviously some major thoroughfares need them. But alot of roads could use a roundabout or four way yield intersection.

So to extend your line of thinking, as you do with everyone else's thoughts....

Let's just stop painting lines on roads to differentiate lanes and stop with the cross walks and any other traffic control devices.

Let's just allow people to work it out among themselves.

 

[Tazz]

All an elog does is enforce HOS. Nothing more nothing less.

Nope. The founding fathers opposed laws applying to them but not the men who made them(Hint hint Sept 9th). And you are picking and choosing. Harassing people you don't like those inspections you mention, four wheelers and all "those" people. But making you toe the line, well hell thats just absurd.

See Irony:

a (1) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result (2) : an event or result marked by such incongruity

You want them to keep others from bothering you with laws,but want to pick and choose which you follow. Fan of Allanis Morrisette I take it.


If you'll pay attention I said your driver should have just driven down the road to a safe parking place. Well he should have stood up long before that and not placed himself in that position, but after he got where he was the logical choice was to proceed. However he should be honest enough to record it as it happened.


Once again they revolted over personal choices kinda like drug users now. It is not the same as rules for using your driving privilege.

Nothing wrong wiht roundabouts, though some could be constructed wider to make life easier.

 

[DubbleD]

Let's just stop painting lines on roads to differentiate lanes and stop with the cross walks and any other traffic control devices.

Let's just allow people to work it out among themselves.

Natural Selection! I endorse it!

Just look at the increasing number of idiots our society has raised since lead paint was deemed deadly and removed.