A Rated insurance vs. Risk Retention - Getting some quotes tomorrow


Mike

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I have brought this up before, bringing it up again.

I am insured through OOIDA. The underwriter is Lloyds Of London. This is Risk Retention, not A or A+ rated insurance.

I have never had a claim, so I can not say how good this insurance is. It's affordable and allows me to keep my truck moving. Word on the street is that it can be tough getting them to pay some claims as Risk Retention groups have a reputation for trying their best to get out of a claim. I don't know this to be true, just what I have heard.

I have heard that many brokers won't work with you if you have this insurance. I know there is a small list, but I have never had a problem working with brokers outside of that list, never been rejected by a broker based on my insurance other than one instance (circle 8 logistics). Maybe there are other brokers out there that don't call based on my insurance, I do not know.

I have heard that brokers won't give you certain loads based on this insurance. Again, I have no idea if that is true, only something I have heard through the grapevine, and once again, haven't heard it from anybody who has actually been rejected based on this.

So, with renewal coming up by the middle of September, I have been looking around a little. Even got one quote a while back, but it was higher than I wanted to pay.

What gave me another push on this is I received a call from OOIDA. I had added chemicals to my haul list on my MCS 150. Wasn't sure why it wasn't listed already, but OOIDA set that up when I got my authority. Earlier this year, I also realized that many common items that I haul all the time wasn't listed on my insurance. I was told when I got the insurance, that I was covered for anything basically other than hazmat. I was green at this, so I didn't know any different and believed it. It just happened to be another OOIDA agent that was looking at the list when I was asking a question, and updated it for me.

Back to the chemicals being listed on my MCS 150. I got a call from OOIDA yesterday, and they weren't able to renew my insurance due to this update. I had to have a phone conversation and explain to them that I wasn't hauling hazardous chemicals, non hazardous only. They seemed very uneasy about it, but submitted it to the underwriter and I got my quote today. Still inexpensive, but I'm just a bit more nervous about potential claims at this point.

I'm at the point that if it isn't too much more expensive, I think I need to move on to A rated insurance through another provider. Call it a gut feeling.
 

Huh.

I remember having a conversation bout this some time ago...🤪🍻
Yeah, I have had it with many people. Problem is, I've ran into nobody that actually had a problem that they could truly say they did everything right. I've seen people on Facebook post how OOIDA screwed them on a claim, but given the way that many of those people do things, I'm not surprised.

Still, getting that uneasy feeling in my gut, and it's not the 3 pack of Bud Light either...
 
While I wait, any opinions on Great West? One agent is trying to run me through them, might be an issue with time in business, not sure.
 
This is bad.

I was so happy making money since getting my authority, that I really didn't take the time to realize how much my total insurance bill was.

Cargo/Liability wasn't bad, after an increase last year, I was sitting at just over $8k. I added $2 Million in General Liability this year to the policy, and with that, and another small increase, the total bill for my new quote was up to $9400.00

Figured it wasn't too bad, but having two full years of authority, figured I would start shopping around for A rated insurance as I mentioned to start the thread.

I have a quote in now. They asked me the value on the truck and trailer, so I gave payoff numbers. I didn't know why they was asking.

Quote came in, A++ rated policy, at $9196. I looked over the policy, and this includes physical damage on the truck and trailer. I have a totally separate policy with OOIDA for this.

Turns out, when you add both of my policies together, I was sitting at over $16k/year for all of my insurance. Physical damage was costing me more than $550/month.

I can now reduce that down to $9196 for better coverage, and accident/disability insurance, so savings of around $7k/year.

Still waiting on a few more quotes to come in. All will be higher, but I am curious as to how much higher. I still need another year or so for some of these companies to give competitive rates.
 
This is bad.

I was so happy making money since getting my authority, that I really didn't take the time to realize how much my total insurance bill was.

Cargo/Liability wasn't bad, after an increase last year, I was sitting at just over $8k. I added $2 Million in General Liability this year to the policy, and with that, and another small increase, the total bill for my new quote was up to $9400.00

Figured it wasn't too bad, but having two full years of authority, figured I would start shopping around for A rated insurance as I mentioned to start the thread.

I have a quote in now. They asked me the value on the truck and trailer, so I gave payoff numbers. I didn't know why they was asking.

Quote came in, A++ rated policy, at $9196. I looked over the policy, and this includes physical damage on the truck and trailer. I have a totally separate policy with OOIDA for this.

Turns out, when you add both of my policies together, I was sitting at over $16k/year for all of my insurance. Physical damage was costing me more than $550/month.

I can now reduce that down to $9196 for better coverage, and accident/disability insurance, so savings of around $7k/year.

Still waiting on a few more quotes to come in. All will be higher, but I am curious as to how much higher. I still need another year or so for some of these companies to give competitive rates.
Is 2 years the minimum for better rates or should you have been looking around the 1 year mark?
 
He should have had those rates out of the gate.
Hard to get with a new authority. Not a ton of options or there. My cargo and liability rates were fine, it was the physical damage that was killing me. That said, it was cheaper than the insurance company that Schneider used, so I never really gave it a second thought.
 
And the winner is: Northland.

I got two really good quotes from Northland and Progressive, and a not so bad quote from Great West through a different agent.

I paid a little more for Northland because they have even less cargo restrictions than Progressive, and Great West was a little more than I wanted to spend.

As far as insurance is concerned, I am not opened up for running Canada (which I likely will not pursue), and hazmat if I choose to get pursue the certification (probably won't do that either). I do like having the options opened up, though, in case an opportunity presents itself.
 
Canada bonding and transit authority isn't really worth it for a single truck.
Didn't figure it would be. When I was leased to Schneider, I seen rates for loads going into Canada. We didn't take the loads in, but seen what the rates were. Really no benefit, at least with them. That said, they may have been hiding the bulk of the rate.

I would like to take a run to Alaska though, just to say I did it.
 
Didn't figure it would be. When I was leased to Schneider, I seen rates for loads going into Canada. We didn't take the loads in, but seen what the rates were. Really no benefit, at least with them. That said, they may have been hiding the bulk of the rate.

I would like to take a run to Alaska though, just to say I did it.
Y’all run duals right?
 

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