I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT "THEY" SAY.
i am so happy for you, so much so, i just had to go to the crappa
I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT "THEY" SAY.
any o/o not running will lose his truck.
So, what is the whole point? Better pay? Less regulation? Both? Aren't there some that are ok with how things are? Can "some" speak for "all"? Like I said, if some are not happy, then they should absolutely do what they need to do, but in doing so, that shouldn't affect those that are happy.
In 2008 the reason for the strike was fuel was killing everyone.....As an o/o you have to make a certain percentage in order to survive and make a profit and it wasen't happening....That's pretty much the short of it..
i am so happy for you, so much so, i just had to go to the crappa
blackw900 said:Having said that....A strike is a stupid idea in my opinion and will do more harm than good, What would work better is to get all of the "Truckers" to stop hauling for stupidly low rates.
I mean seriously....If you could figure out how to organize a strike you could certainly figure out how to get them to just "Say No To Cheap Freight".
Ya know? It's funny....A year or so ago "Glenn" said that I'd be out of business in a few months because "the day of the O/O was over" as of this month I am completely debt free and I'm making very good money in spite of the high cost of fuel, Or possibly because of it.
why not..?? the "positives" are that the negativity will soon come to fruition.Glenn likes to run his mouth but he can always be counted on to spout clueless negativity and BS on virtually any subject that he weighs in on....
A strike is a stupid idea in my opinion and will do more harm than good, What would work better is to get all of the "Truckers" to stop hauling for stupidly low rates.
I mean seriously....If you could figure out how to organize a strike you could certainly figure out how to get them to just "Say No To Cheap Freight".
The reason that "fuel was killing everyone" as you say in 2008 is because a lot of so called "O/O's" aren't bright enough to say no to bad rates....So they haul "CHEAP FREIGHT" and then cry because they have to pay so much for fuel. Anyone that hauls " a backhaul to pay for fuel" is a fool and deserves to go out of business...That truck costs the same amount to run no matter which direction it headed.
I made great money in '08 and '09 because I'm willing to say no to "CHEAP FREIGHT" and wait til a better rate is offered.
As far as I'm concerned the O/O's that failed in '08 were not running their business like a business and the net result of their demise was a needed "thinning of the herd" and anyone that goes broke this time is in exactly the same situation.
As always "Glenn" you demonstrate your tendency to be the "poster boy" for what is wrong with society these days.
I know if we ever need the Proper info, You will help us Glenn8963. Your knowledge has always been superior.that's ever so true...
different set of clowns, same old rhetoric, same old hot air, same old BS from those that can talk the talk, but noting else.
Even the OOIDA has gone on record as saying a strike serves no purpose.
Someone can look that up.
Ya know? It's funny....A year or so ago "Glenn" said that I'd be out of business in a few months because "the day of the O/O was over" as of this month I am completely debt free and I'm making very good money in spite of the high cost of fuel, Or possibly because of it.
Paid for truck
Paid for trailer
"0" credit card debt
No car payments
The reason that "fuel was killing everyone" as you say in 2008 is because a lot of so called "O/O's" aren't bright enough to say no to bad rates....So they haul "CHEAP FREIGHT" and then cry because they have to pay so much for fuel. Anyone that hauls " a backhaul to pay for fuel" is a fool and deserves to go out of business...That truck costs the same amount to run no matter which direction it headed.
I made great money in '08 and '09 because I'm willing to say no to "CHEAP FREIGHT" and wait til a better rate is offered.
As far as I'm concerned the O/O's that failed in '08 were not running their business like a business and the net result of their demise was a needed "thinning of the herd" and anyone that goes broke this time is in exactly the same situation.
reading these new posts to this thread has been giving me a deja-vu moment
Hey @rebel .... Totally off topic, but what is that on your plate in your avatar? Looks like some asparagus that you seem to be pretty proud of. Just wondering. Also wondering....do you still got the mullet? Again, just wondering.
You are exactly right, Dont haul cheap freight. I have read many of your post blackw900, and I strongly feel you will ALWAYS do very well in this industry. There are a lot of drivers out there that should follow your steps to making the best as an O/O. I know of a few like you, but like I said, a Few. Knowing how to run a Truck, and Making it profitable, Is only done by the pro`s. You are a leader in that category.Ya know? It's funny....A year or so ago "Glenn" said that I'd be out of business in a few months because "the day of the O/O was over" as of this month I am completely debt free and I'm making very good money in spite of the high cost of fuel, Or possibly because of it.
Paid for truck
Paid for trailer
"0" credit card debt
No car payments
Glenn likes to run his mouth but he can always be counted on to spout clueless negativity and BS on virtually any subject that he weighs in on....
The point of a "strike" is to draw attention to a problem by showing people how inconvenient you can make life for them if the complaints that you have are not addressed....So it should in fact have an "effect" on those that "are happy", That's the whole point.
Having said that....A strike is a stupid idea in my opinion and will do more harm than good, What would work better is to get all of the "Truckers" to stop hauling for stupidly low rates.
I mean seriously....If you could figure out how to organize a strike you could certainly figure out how to get them to just "Say No To Cheap Freight".
The reason that "fuel was killing everyone" as you say in 2008 is because a lot of so called "O/O's" aren't bright enough to say no to bad rates....So they haul "CHEAP FREIGHT" and then cry because they have to pay so much for fuel. Anyone that hauls " a backhaul to pay for fuel" is a fool and deserves to go out of business...That truck costs the same amount to run no matter which direction it headed.
I made great money in '08 and '09 because I'm willing to say no to "CHEAP FREIGHT" and wait til a better rate is offered.
As far as I'm concerned the O/O's that failed in '08 were not running their business like a business and the net result of their demise was a needed "thinning of the herd" and anyone that goes broke this time is in exactly the same situation.
As always "Glenn" you demonstrate your tendency to be the "poster boy" for what is wrong with society these days.
Demand better. Nobody should have to be gone from home for a week at a time just to bring home 40-50k per year. Maybe a newbie that is learning the job, but not beyond that.
It goes beyond not hauling cheap freight. It is also company drivers not hauling for a pathetic wage and crappy benefits. There are jobs out there that pay well, fill those seats.
Education and pride will go a lot farther than a strike. Education, via forums like this, that let potential drivers know what they are getting into, education about what the companies out there are really like from those who drive or have drove for them. And the Pride to demand better.
I won't work for .35/mile. I won't work for a company that forces me to sleep with the truck shut off unless I always have an alternative for electricity and air conditioning. I won't stay out for weeks at at time unless you really pay me well for it. I won't drive crappy equipment. I won't be pressured into running illegally, or running fatigued.
Demand better. Nobody should have to be gone from home for a week at a time just to bring home 40-50k per year. Maybe a newbie that is learning the job, but not beyond that.
Let me add to that. You should make more than that, plus have good benefits available to you at reasonable costs.
Ain't that the damn trueth..reading these new posts to this thread has been giving me a deja-vu moment
Hey, There Ya' go. A free market system. The free market will place the best workers with the companies offering the best pay, Benifits and treatment. Ya' gets what ya' pays for . Not only in trucking but in all fields.Same goes for the consumer market, Free market.
You are exactly right, Dont haul cheap freight. I have read many of your post blackw900, and I strongly feel you will ALWAYS do very well in this industry. There are a lot of drivers out there that should follow your steps to making the best as an O/O. I know of a few like you, but like I said, a Few. Knowing how to run a Truck, and Making it profitable, Is only done by the pro`s. You are a leader in that category.
It goes beyond not hauling cheap freight. It is also company drivers not hauling for a pathetic wage and crappy benefits. There are jobs out there that pay well, fill those seats.
Education and pride will go a lot farther than a strike. Education, via forums like this, that let potential drivers know what they are getting into, education about what the companies out there are really like from those who drive or have drove for them. And the Pride to demand better.
I won't work for .35/mile. I won't work for a company that forces me to sleep with the truck shut off unless I always have an alternative for electricity and air conditioning. I won't stay out for weeks at at time unless you really pay me well for it. I won't drive crappy equipment. I won't be pressured into running illegally, or running fatigued.
Demand better. Nobody should have to be gone from home for a week at a time just to bring home 40-50k per year. Maybe a newbie that is learning the job, but not beyond that.
Let me add to that. You should make more than that, plus have good benefits available to you at reasonable costs.
I don't disagree with what you said at all, but I'm sure you know that it's easier said than done, and getting harder all the time.
That goes for everybody, not just truckers.
@Glenn8963, get a sign, will work for benefits. In all my years driving, NEVER slept in a truck.This works well for the o/o's out there. But the "average company driver" has no choice in the freight he/she picks up or delivers. It IS a luxury we (company drivers) do not have. But also true, that if ALL o/o's follow BW's footsteps, the the need for such a slowdown or strike would not be warranted. But sadly, many o/o's stuck in a "fleece deal" will submit to the lower rates if simply to either get to the next pick up, or to just get home.
You may think it is that easy, but it simply is not. Newbies coming into the "revolving door" will accept those low paying jobs simply to start earning money, after being out of work for a long period of time.
No one should sleep in a truck without an APU or allowed to idle for comfort, but again, many do, some by choice by the way, by using fans rather than the a/c.
Even a "seasoned pro" may accept such a job, if he was faced with certain unemployment due to his shop closing and no other job prospects in the immediate future.
no one wants to drive crappy equipment, but again, you take what is there and get the job done. as long as it at least passes a DOT inspection, it's "good to go" for the time being.
easily said (by you) but not all that obtainable for some.
benefits are becoming a joke, in ANY industry. more and more workers are paying up MORE money into the health care costs. hell, my state alone has budget problems (what state doesn't) and the state is making the state workers pay more out of pocket expenses, and taking cut backs in retirement benefits.
some smaller mom'pop operations, that many of us here recommend for some to seek employment, DO NOT OFFER ANY health benefits. what does one do then?? we tell them to go to a smaller company, but then there are no bene's..????
true that.