Tim
U.S.Constitution
NO!
Thats why were LEASED to carriers to do it for us.
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Thats why were LEASED to carriers to do it for us.
Tim
U.S.Constitution
Can you prove that?
Will the shipper show you the freight rate along with the broker showing the same freight rate with there cut factored in?
Land
Tim
U.S.Constitution
LMAO!!
Your not on your own..........your pulling "brokered" freight. Hell anyone can pick up a phone and call a broker to get a load, how many shippers can you can you call and get a load other then someone within 100 miles of your home? I'm betting none.
Tim
U.S.Constitution
You mean like Pat Gallagher or Jimmy Hoffa f'ed up, or say something like how I dont have the balls to get my own Authority and start calling brokers to haul there freight?You better watch out mister.....He's a "Motor Carrier", He will fuck you up, if you mess with him!
terrylamar
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I don't know. El Paso or Amarillo is the furtherest I go and they are less than 600 miles. An average of 150 to 300 miles. I, almost, never run out of hours. I don't even come close to my 70.
Tim
U.S.Constitution
Terry this whole post is almost the stupidest post you ever made. So I'm gonna pick it apart and reply to it that way'
And it really makes no difference if a shipper ships 100 loads a day..there still dealing with 100 truck drivers.
New Mexico to Ky 3 brokers have the same load from $2950 to $3000. I can call the shipper and get the load direct for $3700. Now would someone Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee tell me what in Gods good name dose a BROKER need to make $700~750 dollars on one fucking load! Please tell me why anyone thinks this is justifiable!!
Just an FYI on this load 2 of the 3 brokers will "pay" in 30 days after they get the bills and an invoice, the same 2 brokers offer quick pay for 3%.
The shipper pays in 7 days after bills and invoice have been received.
Thats why we lease to carriers that do the "selling" of are services for us.
Whats your point here? You call a broker who cant see or smell you but the shipper can when you go pick the load up. Besides this could be any kind of driver not just a O/O.
Again whats your point here? Trucks brake down, your held up at a receiver longer then planed, makes no difference if its a company truck going to a shipper then deal with or a O/O using a broker, someone still gonna have to cover the load.
I have to "front" my money on the spot when I buy fuel, I have to "front" my money to pay for repairs made on the road. You have to "front" your money when you go to Starbucks or buying your dogs dog food. So I guess your saying just because we drive trucks we can wait 30~60 days to be paid? I've have NEVER understood why drivers think waiting on there money for DAYS AFTER is OK.
And it really makes no difference if a shipper ships 100 loads a day..there still dealing with 100 truck drivers.
The negotiation part with the shipper is over, the broker(s) are now in charge of moving the load for a set price, the only negotiation you can do now is try and get the broker to not take so much off the top. Most brokers will "give up" $100 to make the drive feel like hes done something when in fact more then likely that $100 was the drivers feel good money anyways, if they said nothing the broker feels good about making a $100 more.
This I can agree with! I dont feel sorry for anyone who doesn't know what lanes to stay out of with the type of equipment they have. Just because one gets that bitchin' flatbed load to Key West Fl dont go crying if ya gotta deadhead 500 miles to reload.
Here is another "screwing" from brokers I've seen today.
New Mexico to Ky 3 brokers have the same load from $2950 to $3000. I can call the shipper and get the load direct for $3700. Now would someone Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee tell me what in Gods good name dose a BROKER need to make $700~750 dollars on one fucking load! Please tell me why anyone thinks this is justifiable!!
Just an FYI on this load 2 of the 3 brokers will "pay" in 30 days after they get the bills and an invoice, the same 2 brokers offer quick pay for 3%.
The shipper pays in 7 days after bills and invoice have been received.
Ok, that's what I figured. From your posts it sounded like you went from one load to another in one day.
terrylamar
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Well, sometimes I do. You didn't ask how many miles I run in one day, just what I the average for the load. If I do two or more loads in a day, that is a lot of miles, but not for each load. I'm real picky on loads, I take what I like and ignore the rest. I do take loads to poor areas because I like to go there. Do I charge hard like I did at ATS, no, not even close.
At ATS, I ignored the conventional wisdom of staying East of I-35. I went West, Northwest and into Canada a lot. It paid off for me. I did go East, just to be able to say I was in every state.
Now, I try to stay as local as possible. Best case scenario, I want to be able to bounce home empty without too much of a loss.
Sometimes, the loads come together and I am a hard charger again.
terrylamar
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So, your carrier does it instead of a broker. The point is, you don't do it. It wouldn't be very productive if each individual driver had to contact shippers to find a load.
The point is that the shipper doesn't want to deal with individual drivers. They give all the loads to one broker. In many cases, to a carrier. The carrier opens a brokerage service, so they can cover all the loads if they don't have enough trucks or drivers or maybe they are just out of position. This is the trend. They days of finding your own freight by contacting shippers is slowly coming to an end. I'm not saying it is impossible, but it is harder and harder every year.
Don't have a clue. A broker has access to many more drivers than a carrier does.
Not seeing my original post and being too lazy to go back and look, I'm not sure what you are responding to. A broker's overhead can be considerably larger than your day to day operations. They have to pay the driver, whether they shipper has paid them or not. I'm not saying it is OK to have to wait for my pay or to have a percentage taken out to get paid once the load is delivered. It is a common practice, if I don't like it, I don't do business with that broker.
The shipper has the choice of dealing with 100 drivers or one broker. You do the math. Have a dedicated shipping clerk making sure each driver has the proper authority, adequate safer score, insurance, contract, answering calls about loads all day long, or they can cut down the cost of keeping that employee(s) on the payroll by farming it out to brokers that will do all this work and take a cut of what the load pays.
Who cares if the driver is happy, if the broker is happy and the shipper is happy. Feel free to look elsewhere if you are not happy.
This I can agree with! I dont feel sorry for anyone who doesn't know what lanes to stay out of with the type of equipment they have. Just because one gets that bitchin' flatbed load to Key West Fl dont go crying if ya gotta deadhead 500 miles to reload.
I know you know that at times broker have paid more to have a load moved, than the load paid them. Or take a smaller commission. You are looking micro when the broker is looking macro. All that matters is what the bottom end is at year's end.
Who is going to set what a broker should make? That leaves you open for someone to set what you make. Let the free market sort these issues out. Sometimes the shipper wins or the broker wins or the driver wins.
I know you know that brokers bid on loads. Sometimes they bid low, they have to make money off a low bid. They are in competition with each other. Shipper try to get the lowest price to move a load. The system isn't perfect, but it is working for the most part.
Not all shippers pay so quickly. Some take forever. The broker has to have a certain amount of cash flow to cover expenses. Would you want to wait until that shipper that takes 90 days to pay, to get your check? No, I don't want to have to wait. I recognize that brokers are trying to average things out. Sure, I want my money as quickly as possible. I, also, want that broker to stay in business.
terrylamar
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Not true. A carrier is not a broker, unless they have their authority for brokerage. It is illegal to broker loads if you are not a broker.
Most of the larger carriers broker their own loads. When I was running independent and calling brokers for loads, I hauled directly for CRST, Prime, Swift and Panther. Hauling for them was no different than hauling for any other broker, except they paid a little more and their checks were issued faster.
I tried doing the short runs for a month. It really took a toll on me. Untarp, unload, drive for 2 hours, load, tarp then I was too tired to do anything else but go to bed. No shower, no clean clothes and canned food waking up all cramped up. Made a lot of money but couldn't take it anymore so I jumped out of the lane and headed for Seattle.
Rigjockey
In Gord we trust!
They must have.They trade loads all the time. My last company, Was a brokerage that had trucks just to cover the crap loads no one wanted.
Can anyone explain to me the in and outs of becoming an agent? I have heard you can be an agent and the broker will handle all the upfront costs to pay the drivers and such. Do most people who get into this take the classes offered on the internet or are those just a scam. Also is it possible to do it part time to get started? Quitting my current job would be a pretty big risk.
Thanks,
Matt
Thanks,
Matt
terrylamar
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I don't know anything about anything. I have an interest because I will need something to0 do once I become to aged to really work.
I think most brokers will want you to have experience and have your own "Book of Whateveritiscalled." Essentially, your own clients built up so you bring something to the table.
If you find out something, post it for the rest of us. K?
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