Name My Trucking Company!

[GAnthony]

It's a highly regulated industry - for hood reasons. If you don't like regulation, go down to the highway, and open a lemonade stand.

for "hood" reasons...??\

you need some coffee rael badely......

 

[RamblingPete]

Some industry requires regulations but yeah most , including trucking , are so over regulated that even the regulations and rules contradict each other , as this post shows.
You can't even open a lemonade stand or cut someone's yard any more without going through some regulatory body .
It is funny that we are HAVE MORE CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOMS than any country on the planet , yet ours is the easiest country on the planet to break laws since we have more laws than even North Korea ( the most brutal dictatorship in existence) or that of communist Russia at it's fall .

 

[ironpony]

Some industry requires regulations but yeah most , including trucking , are so over regulated that even the regulations and rules contradict each other , as this post shows.
You can't even open a lemonade stand or cut someone's yard any more without going through some regulatory body .
It is funny that we are HAVE MORE CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOMS than any country on the planet , yet ours is the easiest country on the planet to break laws since we have more laws than even North Korea ( the most brutal dictatorship in existence) or that of communist Russia at it's fall .

If you think trucking is over regulated, try starting an airline!

for "hood" reasons...??\

you need some coffee rael badely......

Well ya... coffee is required!

 

[Rodger]

Fast forward about 45 days into having my authority.

Phone rang this morning, coming from the area code where I live. I'm thinking broker, pick up the phone and it's the Arkansas State Police.

He had went over all the documents that I submitted to him for my new entrant audit a few weeks ago (got my notification two weeks into having my authority).

Everything looked good. Everything, that is, except for the Pre Employment drug test waiver. So, now I have to take a pre employment drug test as soon as I get a chance.

I showed that I had been in a consortium, which is what OOIDA said was required. I used their form, and Schneider happily filled it out and sent it back to me.

Problem is, per the officer, the whole waiver thing is "subject to interpretation". For him to approve it, I would also have to show when I was last tested, and provide the results of the test. By the time I fight to get that sort of information, it's just easier to spend the money and take the drug test.

The reason he requires it to be like this is because in the event of a full blown audit, there is a chance that my waiver might not stand up in the eyes of whoever was doing the real audit, and at that point, I could be looking at major violations and expensive fines. To avoid this, he requires going the extra mile of getting proof of the last drug test as well as the test results.

As soon as I email the test results to the officer, along with my estimated mileage and revenue, the audit will be signed off, and I am officially done with it.

Pretty simple process, actually. Submitted 15-20 documents (all uploaded online) a few weeks ago, short phone call today, and all done other than taking the drug test.

Yeah sounds like you had the same result as me.

I still belong to the OOIDA consortium but I am very cautious of taking any more advice from their legal or drug testing department.

Glad to hear your audit went smoothly!

 

[GAnthony]

If you think trucking is over regulated, try starting an airline!



Well ya... coffee is required!



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[Rigjockey]

If you think trucking is over regulated, try starting an airline!

No! I actually think trucking is under regulated. The problems we have today are the direct result of de-regulation!
Under cutting on price, everyone and their mother can be a trucking company and run any route. Ain't no way in hell shippers could get away with the shit they do nowadays. Not to mention load brokers et al that have driven rates/ pay down.

The airlines still are regulated as far as buying routes.

 

[Duck]

It's a highly regulated industry - for good reasons. If you don't like regulation, go down to the highway, and open a lemonade stand.

All businesses are excessively regulated. Not just the ones that can endanger public safety if not operated correctly.

And they're taxed to hell and back several times over. It's almost as if participating in commerce is frowned upon by our evil overlords who have a problem with capitalism. Hmm.... Who does that describe?

The only regulations in trucking should be for the sole purpose of public safety. Laws that require proper load securement, equipment in safe condition, no driving drunk or excessively tired, don't take a 40 ton truck across a hiking bridge,... (PTL drivers that means you too), etc.

All this crap that guys like Mike and mndriver have to deal with is just plain ridiculous.

 

[Uncle Birchy]

It's a highly regulated industry - for hood reasons. If you don't like regulation, go down to the highway, and open a lemonade stand.

Ya couldnt be more wrong @ironpony ...

The lemonade buisness is highly regulated and taxed too.

Watch dash cam vid of some of our finest shut down 2 kids trying to raise money for Fathers day present.

Atleast the 1 cop told the mother look we dont make the rules just enforce em and basically they just shut it down .

Btw the proper permit was $150 dollars

Apparently ya also must get a permit for a garage sale according to the mother

 

[ironpony]

All this crap that guys like Mike and mndriver have to deal with is just plain ridiculous

Its no different than the requirements on any other motor carrier.

 

[Duck]

Its no different than the requirements on any other motor carrier.

What's your point?

 

[ironpony]

What's your point?

You're sayin' these two blighters should get "special treatment?"

Why?

I say the gubbermint give 'em the works on general principles. Or somethin'.

 

[Duck]

You're sayin' these two blighters should get "special treatment?"

Why?

I say the gubbermint give 'em the works on general principles. Or somethin'.

No I think you misunderstood what I meant.

It doesn't matter to me if you're trying to be an independent like Mike, a 2 truck carrier like mndriver, or a gazillion truck carrier like Swift. There's too much government hoops to jump through, and too many fees and taxes.

All that crap is why so so few people actually do it.

If the regulatory and tax end was as simple as it seems in that stupid video game that @Coronado Kid was talking about for months, there would be a lot more independents out there.

And that's just trucking.

Opening an ice cream stand is just as ridiculous when it comes to interference from the government. Federal, state, county, city,... All of them.

It shouldn't be like that. Not in this country. Maybe Russia.

 

[dave350]

No! I actually think trucking is under regulated. The problems we have today are the direct result of de-regulation!
Under cutting on price, everyone and their mother can be a trucking company and run any route. Ain't no way in hell shippers could get away with the **** they do nowadays. Not to mention load brokers et al that have driven rates/ pay down.

The airlines still are regulated as far as buying routes.

I disagree. What your eluding to is price stabilization or price controls. This is disastrous. It causes misallocations of Capital because the market isn’t finding the price which is really the balance between supply and demand. Price controls benefit some at the expense of others much like every other govt intervention into the market. (I can’t say free market because I’m not certain we have free markets at this point).

Also, you’re inviting even more cronyism to infiltrate the industry. This will benefit the few at the expense of many.

We should have brisk competition in every industry with very little to no govt intervention. What we really have (IMO) is an education problem. We should be educating children at an early age to survive in a capitalist system. That would include how to save, invest, run a business and acquire different skill sets to avoid being in situations where they “think” they are stuck. This should be lessons in every grade 1-12. You don’t need college to learn these things. They should also learn about where money comes from but I’m going to let that one go for now.

If everyone that was thinking of buying a truck to enter the market knew how to evaluate that investment some would turn away and others would jump in but all would understand the costs involved because they would have the knowledge. I can’t tell you how many guys I talked to that I knew had no clue of their costs yet they’re running down the road operating their business, negotiating loads and entering into contracts. That is where the problem in any industry lies. Lack of knowledge.

 

[ironpony]

If everyone that was thinking of buying a truck to enter the market knew how to evaluate that investment some would turn away and others would jump in but all would understand the costs involved because they would have the knowledge. I can’t tell you how many guys I talked to that I knew had no clue of their costs yet they’re running down the road operating their business, negotiating loads and entering into contracts. That is where the problem in any industry lies. Lack of knowledge.

I'll disagree, and this is the same trap the robot technology kings fall into: everyone possesses the mental capacity to do this. There are a whole bunch of folks who just will never be able to do this... or leave trucking to find high paying jobs that require advanced educational degrees.

This is not me looking down my nose at others, but some of us just don't have the mental capacity to do some of this.

 

[dave350]

I'll disagree, and this is the same trap the robot technology kings fall into: everyone possesses the mental capacity to do this. There are a whole bunch of folks who just will never be able to do this... or leave trucking to find high paying jobs that require advanced educational degrees.

This is not me looking down my nose at others, but some of us just don't have the mental capacity to do some of this.

I don’t think we disagree that much or I’m not grasping you’re point but I agree with your post.

Let’s try it this way. Understanding how to do something and being able to do it physically and mentally are two different things. There’s no reason for someone who wants to own a truck and has the capacity to to do the job (physically and mentally) to not be able to understand costs and how to price his labor.

 

[ironpony]

I don’t think we disagree that much or I’m not grasping you’re point but I agree with your post.

Let’s try it this way. Understanding how to do something and being able to do it physically and mentally are two different things. There’s no reason for someone who wants to own a truck and has the capacity to to do the job (physically and mentally) to not be able to understand costs and how to price his labor.

Go out and ask owner ops what it costs them to run a mile down the road... 4 out of 5 don't have a clue. Worse, most of them don't care.

That's not being a trucking businessman, it's called playing at being a truck owner because that's cooler than being a company driver.

No offence to anyone.

This is why so many get taken on fleece deals.

 

[dave350]

Go out and ask owner ops what it costs them to run a mile down the road... 4 out of 5 don't have a clue. Worse, most of them don't care.

That's not being a trucking businessman, it's called playing at being a truck owner because that's cooler than being a company driver.

No offence to anyone.

This is why so many get taken on fleece deals.

Yes I agree. I’m saying the same thing sort of. Let me put this forward. Is it that they don’t care? or that they’ve never been given the proper knowledge and they don’t realize they need to seek it out. In other words you don’t know what you don’t know.

My point is as a society we should be teaching basic business skills as well as other financial skills in grade school. We shouldn’t be asking govt to step in and set rates when it’s an issue that can be resolved in proper education.

 

[ironpony]

Yes I agree. I’m saying the same thing sort of. Let me put this forward. Is it that they don’t care? or that they’ve never been given the proper knowledge and they don’t realize they need to seek it out. In other words you don’t know what you don’t know.

My point is as a society we should be teaching basic business skills as well as other financial skills in grade school. We shouldn’t be asking govt to step in and set rates when it’s an issue that can be resolved in proper education.

Doing your trucking books only requires an 8th grade edumacation.

 

[gearjammer]

so does that mean you ain't keepin up?

 

[ironpony]

so does that mean you ain't keepin up?

Nah, that's my truck... it can't keep up.

(insert stupid Prime joke)