Confirmed: E-logs suck
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We load there all the time....I've never been there for more than an hour or two.
I hope they were getting paid as well. At this point, nobody should be sitting at shippers and receivers for hours unless they are getting paid for it.
We got guys that will sit and not document their time. Its like they are scared to ask for it.
Only places that I wont hit fir detention time are customers who tend to load or unload me early and quickly. Other than that, im hitting them for anything beyond my two hours, even if it is just 15 minutes.
We got guys that will sit and not document their time. Its like they are scared to ask for it.
Only places that I wont hit fir detention time are customers who tend to load or unload me early and quickly. Other than that, im hitting them for anything beyond my two hours, even if it is just 15 minutes.
notarps4me
Shy and Quiet.
If I went anywhere, but TX I would not either. Loads to Denver CO; no problem, but if the load was to ball in ft worth, get comfy.
I'd have just gotten on the board and booked a different load and left...They might be able to do that to companies like TMC and Maverick, but a guy like me won't put up with it.
Duck
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They're more likely to do that to a large fleet than to a one man, one truck operation. And the carriers might have an idea which loads are going to be like that and opt to send one of their company drivers there instead of making an O/O sit around.
Carriers often have to book loads they know will cause them to lose time & productivity as part of a "package deal" when they book 100 loads all at once.
For example, part of our deal with Tyson to haul XXX number of loads per week or whatever, good paying loads to the east coast, they'll also have to agree to haul XX number of short-haul crap-paying, time-wasting loads to Concordia, MO or Olathe, KS. Our O/O's never see those loads. The company drivers do, and they try to rotate out the company drivers too. They won't repeatedly send a company driver on that short-haul crap because they know he'll bitch & whine & probably eventually quit, so they'll try to keep track of how long it's been since each driver was suckered into one of those loads. So a typical company driver will take 5 or 6 round-trips out east, then they'll stick him with a Concordia or an Olathe. Those loads used to not be so bad, actually. They used to deadhead us back, but lately they've been booking brokered back-hauls that cause it to waste even more of our time.
It's a "no forced dispatch" system, but that doesn't mean they won't sit there & tell us the Concordia is the only load left on the sheet for the day, "unless you wanta take this one with 5 stops in NYC, we need to cover that one too".
Yet again this topic evolves into anything but the OP's query.
E-logs don't suck.
Safety departments staffed with pups that are fresh outta college with a AA or BA lunge at the prospect of being wrong cuz some halfwit, snot nosed punk misinterprets a rule!
Company CEO's , CFO's and Human Resourclelesses hide behind decisions based on these brats because they don't know either.
No... E-logs don't suck... People who control the info garnered by E-logs suck at their jobs.
E-logs don't suck.
Safety departments staffed with pups that are fresh outta college with a AA or BA lunge at the prospect of being wrong cuz some halfwit, snot nosed punk misinterprets a rule!
Company CEO's , CFO's and Human Resourclelesses hide behind decisions based on these brats because they don't know either.
No... E-logs don't suck... People who control the info garnered by E-logs suck at their jobs.
Duck
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If the government suddenly up & decided to install ankle monitoring bracelets on your leg for no reason other than because they THINK you might commit a crime, would you say the ankle bracelet DOESN'T suck? You'd be correct in saying the government officials who made you wear it suck, ... but the ankle bracelet being a tool of oppression, also sucks.
Same thing here. E-logs are a tool of oppression & the only reason fleets have them is because government bullies them into getting them.
Oh gimme a break....
Show me proof of FMCSA demanding a company pay a monthly subscription to Qualcomm for solitaire!
Tazz
Infidel
But they are not requiring every man woman and child wear an ankle bracelet. Nice try though. What they are doing is using technology to enforce existing regulations on people who choose to operate commercial vehicles. You can avoid elogs even after the NPRM goes through next year. Just don't drive an interstate commercial vehicle subject to Part 395. Problem solved.
Rigjockey
In Gord we trust!
What do you do when you are trying to get them to take their shit off your truck? I have an idea of what an independent could/would do. But I would rather hear it from you.
Duck
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That was a "what if'. It's a perfectly relevant comparison of one form of tyranny to a similar one that simply hasn't happened .... yet. "Nice try though".
No. Problem not solved. You'd just be trading one problem (government too far up your ass) for another problem. (no income).
Truck drivers who try to lure others into submitting to e-logs or other forms of government intrusion are no different than the liberal lefties who are always complaining that we have too much freedom.
Regardless of how you may interpret the "interstate commerce clause", there is no more justification for government mandated (or government bullied-submission of) electronic monitoring any more than there would be if the government decided to install cameras inside your house to make sure you're not doing anything illegal in there.
You can take that "it's a condition you agree to for the privilege of using public roads" argument & stuff it. I never agreed to it. It was forced on me with the option of "do it or you're fired". That's not a choice. It's a threat, plain & simple.
Tazz
Infidel
That is the key difference Duck. You choose to be out here. That choice has conditions you were and are made aware of. If those conditions are that abhorrent you can choose to do something else.
Your argument of monitoring is false. It does not monitor you. They monitor the use of a commercial vehicle by you on public roads to ensure compliance with regulations. I think your problem is more with the regulations, and how your company treats you(based off your stories and comments) than elogs. Elogs just take away the ability to conceal, for the most part, truck movements.
And finally I acknowledge you and others demand a right to use the roads as you wish. Well until someone inconveniences you then you scream they shouldn't be allowed. Fortunately forced servitude is illegal so your privilege is conditional. One of those conditions to soon include for Commercial Vehicles an EOBR or Elog.
Your argument of monitoring is false. It does not monitor you. They monitor the use of a commercial vehicle by you on public roads to ensure compliance with regulations. I think your problem is more with the regulations, and how your company treats you(based off your stories and comments) than elogs. Elogs just take away the ability to conceal, for the most part, truck movements.
And finally I acknowledge you and others demand a right to use the roads as you wish. Well until someone inconveniences you then you scream they shouldn't be allowed. Fortunately forced servitude is illegal so your privilege is conditional. One of those conditions to soon include for Commercial Vehicles an EOBR or Elog.
Duck
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Bullshit. We didn't have e-logs in 2004 when I chose this line of work.
As for the rest of your anti-4th amendment rant:
Duck
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I was aware of the HOS that were in effect at the time, yes. And I never needed to violate them. With the option to use the split-sleeper option that was in effect at the time (not the 8/2 joke we have now), I never had a problem getting something where it needed to go, legally.
Still, I completely reject any argument made that we need tracking devices to enforce them. And I also reject any argument that the interstate commerce clause gives the feds the right to mandate, or even bully carriers into "voluntarily" submitting to, EOBRs/E-logs.
GroceryHauler
Well-Known Member
The next time you're in Beardstown, let me know. I grew up there and only live 20 miles away. I can at least tell you places you can go eat, or my wife and I will come pick you up and get you out of the truck for a while.
My first job out of high school was at IBP, but it was Excel at the time.
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