mndriver
curmudgeon extraordinare
Actually…
no matter how I would have answered, it would have been wrong.
I did not immediately agree with you and accept it as the end of the situation.
An Unexpected Slide
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Actually…
no matter how I would have answered, it would have been wrong.
I did not immediately agree with you and accept it as the end of the situation.
mndriver
curmudgeon extraordinare
So I’m not being cryptic and people can fully understand my train of thought.
And still get pissed at me..
People tend to respond in an “oh shit” situation by tapping their brake to remove cruise. You can tell this by all the brake flashes you see going down the road.
because you tapped your brakes, your foot is not on the throttle, it’s on the brake. The engine suddenly has gone into a negative power or throttle as he calls it and now you’ve applied braking force to the driveline.
not was intended. But that’s enough.
Same as driving a front wheel drive car. We learned these lessons when FWD cars first came out and so many people were ditching vehicles crossing bridges and these same types of situations.
because of that braking force the vehicle has further gotten away from you and exasperated the situation to total loss of control.
Not reading the road conditions for what they typically are on mornings like this lead to complacency to even set your cruise in the first place.
not anticipating a road situation in a shaded curve or rise for the slippery situation for what it is.
NTSB had a similar scenario posted and determined the cause of the accident actually as “driver error”.
I return you now to your regularly scheduled truck stop counter discussions.
Actually, if you bothered to address any of the points that this was really about, which was how to deal with an unexpected slide, we wouldn't be having this back and forth, would we?
The point of this article is to help new guys understand the Dynamics of what's going on with their truck. Not to pass on worthless platitudes, like "Hurr durr, never use the cruise!"
Electric Chicken
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To be fair, it was more Yoda "Cruise Not, In Winter Shall You Use" than "Hurr Durr."
Or maybe "Wax on, Wax off, catch fly with chopsticks."
IJS.
mndriver
curmudgeon extraordinare
You can apply that to summertime in the rain at the start of the hard rain as well. I suppose now I shall have to do a dissertation on why it applies then as wellTo be fair, it was more Yoda "Cruise Not, In Winter Shall You Use" than "Hurr Durr."
Or maybe "Wax on, Wax off, catch fly with chopsticks."
IJS.
Which is exactly what you're doing, pulling the truck stop counter discussion.
I put the conditions that I went through that night in and took pains to spell out how that hit all cleared up and was well behind me, in order to make the point that stuff can happen that you shouldn't have a reason to expect.
Go back and reread the original post. Notice I said there had been zero indication of ice for an hour and a half on the vegetation. What is unsaid there is that the road has been clear and only wet for significantly longer than that. I have been out of the truck less than a half hour before this happened, and as anybody experienced does, I had walked around to check conditions of the pavement. I was also southbound into a pretty substantial Rising temperature gradient. The icing that I had spent the night in had spread rapidly East in slowly South, which I have been monitoring all night on the weather radio.
The point of that whole paragraph above? I was anything but complacent, so if you would kindly quit driving from the lunch counter and accept that it was, as noted in the title, an unexpected event, we would all be better off.
There was some driver error involved in this situation, but it dates back many months before it happened. You know what that mistake was? The mistake was putting a fairly cheap cap on my casings. The steer and the drive were virgin Michelin, and neither one of those gave any indication of losing traction before the trailer stepped out.
Electric Chicken
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What kind of caps were they?
Just some no name from a local shop there in Amarillo, in the same pattern that you're probably well used to seeing, the four zigzagging treads
Electric Chicken
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389 Hood
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I'll admit to never having driven in icy conditions in a big truck, so I just read. I will however comment that driving in almost constant desert heat conditions, that I wouldn't put a recap on my lawnmower. I've worked for many companies that did and the rate of downtime and equipment damage far outweighed the money saved on buying recaps. No matter who the company was that did the capping, they just aren't worth it for on road applications.
Electric Chicken
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I've driven in ice and snow and everything, even got pushed up a hill by a snowplow shoving my trailer, but I've never had unexpected issues. I've had expected ones, but not unexpected ones.
I was very selective. Only the shallower tread trailer caps (run cooler) and I would only put them on when I had a couple months of cooler weather in front of me to allow plenty of heat cycles before being exposed to the summer heat. That reduced the failure rate dramatically.
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389 Hood
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After over 5,000,000 miles, I've only ever had one of the newer single virgins give out on me. Never a dual virgin. The singles were still in the experimental days and running them upward of 120 psi really helped in their longevity.
Getting fenders torn off, quarter fenders blown off, brake lines and wiring ripped to shreds and assorted other destructions, I just run virgin Michelins on all 18. I pull them off when they are at the legal point, or when getting close to a bad weather season. Your rig, your choice.
Getting fenders torn off, quarter fenders blown off, brake lines and wiring ripped to shreds and assorted other destructions, I just run virgin Michelins on all 18. I pull them off when they are at the legal point, or when getting close to a bad weather season. Your rig, your choice.
Sinister
pari animositate
The answer is either steady throttle or even a tap of the throttle.
As far as the fastest way to disengage cruise, for me that would be to hit the button on the steering wheel these days or in the old days reach over and slap the chrome toggle extension. Since I only ever had them on the Jake a cruise switches, and not on every switch like your dashboard is a pissed off porcupine.
As far as the fastest way to disengage cruise, for me that would be to hit the button on the steering wheel these days or in the old days reach over and slap the chrome toggle extension. Since I only ever had them on the Jake a cruise switches, and not on every switch like your dashboard is a pissed off porcupine.
Duck
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Those people are called "morons".
I don't think they were Hammer's intended audience.
Duck
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I had a truck slide towards the inside of a curve once.
Iowa. Northbound I-380 where it curves left to go underneath US20 then join it.
I was on solid ice doing about 15 mph with a very light load.
The curve was banked and I wasn't going fast enough for centrifugal force to compensate for the tilt. All tires except the steers let go at the same time and I slid sideways from the right lane down the slope until the tires hit the crunchy ice on the hammer lane rumble strip that had been built up by the plow trucks.
I came to a dead stop, then the truck didn't want to move forward until I hit the PDL. I kept the trailer tires just inside the rumble strip until I was through the curve, then I gently crossed over to the granny lane and rode down the rumble strip to the Flying J exit.
389 Hood
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And that's where you had to swap panties!
Electric Chicken
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Can't swap what you ain't got no none of on.And that's where you had to swap panties!
Duck
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I'm always calm and collected in an emergency.And that's where you had to swap panties!
The rest of the time, not so much.
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