Alchemy 101, and still the only 20 thread you need to read.
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Southern Fried
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That's what bothers me about too many of the DS "grads" they hire of late. They think they "don't have to worry about it". I had one ask me this morning for my cell phone number. Why? So that if she gets a "dangerous load" she can call me to do it for her.
Sinister
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Heh.
I fully expect to be thrown to the wolves. I got that impression when they had me observe Peroxide on day 2.
I was told off the bat that 90% of the regional and local work from this terminal is Peroxide, and I'm also told theres a big Bleach push coming up, and there's also supposed to be a new account that's all Sulfuric coming out of my home 20.
So for me to think I don't have to worry about the seriousness of this would be very stupid on my part.
I think I'm going to be in full PPE a LOT.
Every time we opened caps or valves, I had both goggles on and my face shield down. When we vented the tank, I had my face shield down, and goggles on.
It looks clear. It looks like water.
But it's bad stuff. And I want to live through the week.
I fully expect to be thrown to the wolves. I got that impression when they had me observe Peroxide on day 2.
I was told off the bat that 90% of the regional and local work from this terminal is Peroxide, and I'm also told theres a big Bleach push coming up, and there's also supposed to be a new account that's all Sulfuric coming out of my home 20.
So for me to think I don't have to worry about the seriousness of this would be very stupid on my part.
I think I'm going to be in full PPE a LOT.
Every time we opened caps or valves, I had both goggles on and my face shield down. When we vented the tank, I had my face shield down, and goggles on.
It looks clear. It looks like water.
But it's bad stuff. And I want to live through the week.
Southern Fried
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Had an interesting event today. Went to IMTT to load TDI going to Elgin, IL When I pulled on their scale the truck was weighing heavy. When I got to the rack I pointed that out to the loader and suggested he check before loading. Sure enough, there was a 7 inch deep "heel" in there from the previous load. TDI also, but a different blend. Would have ruined the whole load.
So.... somebody's butt is in the wringer. The previous customer got shorted over 500 gallons at the very least and the driver failed to clear his trailer. Not to mention the risk for the trailer crew if they'd been doing a "full clean".
As for me, I got a new trailer and a new loading appointment. Sat for 3 hours though, waiting for the "lab" to ok the load.
Leaving in the AM to deliver Monday.
So.... somebody's butt is in the wringer. The previous customer got shorted over 500 gallons at the very least and the driver failed to clear his trailer. Not to mention the risk for the trailer crew if they'd been doing a "full clean".
As for me, I got a new trailer and a new loading appointment. Sat for 3 hours though, waiting for the "lab" to ok the load.
Leaving in the AM to deliver Monday.
AK7
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So,did you make it home for the weekend?
Are ya sitting on the couch in your jammies having a beer?
Did you get your truck yet?
Are you glowing green yet?
Come on now.
We need answers. Lol
AK7
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Thanks,I didn't want to text him cuz I knew he was training.
Sinister
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I'm back in Appleton. More training. Today I got more PeopleNet training too.
I also got a wake up call of my own. I need to start thinking like a big company steering wheel holder.
We stopped for a 30 minute break in Plover - where I also learned something about eLogs - more on that in a minute - then when we pulled out a few minutes later across hwy 54 the driver looks at me and says, "WHAT THE HELL IS THAT NOISE?!"
He rides with the window open and Right Wing AM Radio blaring ALL. DAY. LONG. so I didn't hear anything out of the ordinary. Then when I turned the radio down, he told me he was losing air pressure.
After some investigation on my part, I found he'd had a brake chamber go bad (at 220,000 on the truck...really??)
I put out the triangles, and talked to the trooper that had already showed up, then immediately went to the guy's toolbox to start looking for some wrenches and and zip ties.
He asks WTF I'm doing, and I told him I'd found the caging bolt, and what my plan was.
He says OH NO! We gotta call somebody and sit and wait.
Apparently...my days of making shit work, to get to a decent shop or (in this case) back to the terminal are over.
No more caged brakes.
*sigh*...I suppose. It never really was legal to do that anyway. Even with an empty tanker.
BUT...I will say they had a mechanic out, and we were up and moving in pretty short order, maybe an hour and a half.
Whatever. I'm still carrying an assload of tools, and keeping myself moving as much as I can.
Now, what I learned about eLogs.
I see more people nowadays fueling in the middle of the day than I ever did before. I always fueled either at the beginning or end of the day.
This particular PeopleNet setup (from what this guy says, and I have my doubts) does not require fuel stops to be logged on Line 4, which not only makes no sense to me, but might explain why he's worked here 9 months and is still running a paper log as well as a PeopleNet log, so he logs off duty, fuels the truck, takes the remaining time as a break, and proceeds to the side of the road 4 miles away when the brake chamber shits out...
Anyway, I think a lot of people are scamming the line 4 system this way. Which to me makes no sense.
This same guy thinks that when you log a pre or post trip in PeopleNet you MUST sit still for 15 minutes. I've already heard different from several different sources, one of them being the orientation dude in Louisville...
You KNOW when you ran paper logs, you were required to show 15 minutes for fueling...why would you think you're exempt on the eLog? I smell poop. And it's NOT because they're finally fertilizing the potato fields around here.
Like I said, I've seen a few guys at this terminal that run paper and PeopleNet, and they claim it's because they "are just so used to it" or are "more comfortable that way". I think it's because they're on Double Secret Probation...
I keep my mouth shut and nod a lot. No really...it's true...
Getting tired of riding with people since, I'm such a people person you know...and getting anxious to be on my own. Another guy I've ridden with a few times is such a chatterbox I DON'T FREAKING CARE HOW NICE HE IS.
The truck they said I'm going to be driving is in pieces in the shop with the whole top end torn apart. Bad injector...or two...I'm told. It's a beat up 2009 Mack that came out of the Chicago terminal. At least it's a manual...
Also, avoid the Howard Johnsons in Appleton. They goofed stuff up, and I have to straighten the billing out this week.
Hopefully Trump in his infinite racism will mandate that people that deal with the public in hotels speak more English than Hindi. That sure would be handy...RAAAAACIST.
Whatever. When "open mindedness" and "tolerance" start costing me money, I get pissed.
So that's the story. Training continues, and I'm getting anxious to screw up all by myself.
I also got a wake up call of my own. I need to start thinking like a big company steering wheel holder.
We stopped for a 30 minute break in Plover - where I also learned something about eLogs - more on that in a minute - then when we pulled out a few minutes later across hwy 54 the driver looks at me and says, "WHAT THE HELL IS THAT NOISE?!"
He rides with the window open and Right Wing AM Radio blaring ALL. DAY. LONG. so I didn't hear anything out of the ordinary. Then when I turned the radio down, he told me he was losing air pressure.
After some investigation on my part, I found he'd had a brake chamber go bad (at 220,000 on the truck...really??)
I put out the triangles, and talked to the trooper that had already showed up, then immediately went to the guy's toolbox to start looking for some wrenches and and zip ties.
He asks WTF I'm doing, and I told him I'd found the caging bolt, and what my plan was.
He says OH NO! We gotta call somebody and sit and wait.
Apparently...my days of making shit work, to get to a decent shop or (in this case) back to the terminal are over.
No more caged brakes.
*sigh*...I suppose. It never really was legal to do that anyway. Even with an empty tanker.
BUT...I will say they had a mechanic out, and we were up and moving in pretty short order, maybe an hour and a half.
Whatever. I'm still carrying an assload of tools, and keeping myself moving as much as I can.
Now, what I learned about eLogs.
I see more people nowadays fueling in the middle of the day than I ever did before. I always fueled either at the beginning or end of the day.
This particular PeopleNet setup (from what this guy says, and I have my doubts) does not require fuel stops to be logged on Line 4, which not only makes no sense to me, but might explain why he's worked here 9 months and is still running a paper log as well as a PeopleNet log, so he logs off duty, fuels the truck, takes the remaining time as a break, and proceeds to the side of the road 4 miles away when the brake chamber shits out...
Anyway, I think a lot of people are scamming the line 4 system this way. Which to me makes no sense.
This same guy thinks that when you log a pre or post trip in PeopleNet you MUST sit still for 15 minutes. I've already heard different from several different sources, one of them being the orientation dude in Louisville...
You KNOW when you ran paper logs, you were required to show 15 minutes for fueling...why would you think you're exempt on the eLog? I smell poop. And it's NOT because they're finally fertilizing the potato fields around here.
Like I said, I've seen a few guys at this terminal that run paper and PeopleNet, and they claim it's because they "are just so used to it" or are "more comfortable that way". I think it's because they're on Double Secret Probation...
I keep my mouth shut and nod a lot. No really...it's true...
Getting tired of riding with people since, I'm such a people person you know...and getting anxious to be on my own. Another guy I've ridden with a few times is such a chatterbox I DON'T FREAKING CARE HOW NICE HE IS.
The truck they said I'm going to be driving is in pieces in the shop with the whole top end torn apart. Bad injector...or two...I'm told. It's a beat up 2009 Mack that came out of the Chicago terminal. At least it's a manual...
Also, avoid the Howard Johnsons in Appleton. They goofed stuff up, and I have to straighten the billing out this week.
Hopefully Trump in his infinite racism will mandate that people that deal with the public in hotels speak more English than Hindi. That sure would be handy...RAAAAACIST.
Whatever. When "open mindedness" and "tolerance" start costing me money, I get pissed.
So that's the story. Training continues, and I'm getting anxious to screw up all by myself.
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mndriver
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Sinister
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Caging a brake, and pinching the airlines was never legal. But I've done it more than once.
I see where you're headed on the 2 logs thing, and I'm thinking if the company has it documented that these guys are in a training phase to switch to eLogs, they're probably covered.
Sinister
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I always understood that having a non-functioning brake was an OOS thing.
If you know otherwise I'd be very interested...
mndriver
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the North American Standard Out-of Service criteria manual for CVSA is where I picked up on this.
YES I KNOW it's a 2004 manual. It's still accurate for this topic and gives you the correct FMCSA regs. It was in the 2013 manual (that's the one I have printed and in my truck and I confirmed it also in the 2015 manual. I have not seen the 2016 manual yet but it's on order.)
https://law.resource.org/pub/us/cfr/ibr/003/cvsa.out-of-service.2004.pdf
It's kind of "two-parts".
first, if you find the fault BEFORE you get inspected at a scale, you can do this. You can't do this if it's found as the result of a level 1 or 5 inspection.
you can have UP TO 20% of the brake system defective. So if we have a 5 axle truck, you can have two brakes not functioning.
Now. If you are out on the road, find a ruptured brake line or a bad diaphragm, you can cage it, pinch off the line and get it to the shop to be repaired.
What you were doing is perfectly legal.
YES I KNOW it's a 2004 manual. It's still accurate for this topic and gives you the correct FMCSA regs. It was in the 2013 manual (that's the one I have printed and in my truck and I confirmed it also in the 2015 manual. I have not seen the 2016 manual yet but it's on order.)
https://law.resource.org/pub/us/cfr/ibr/003/cvsa.out-of-service.2004.pdf
It's kind of "two-parts".
first, if you find the fault BEFORE you get inspected at a scale, you can do this. You can't do this if it's found as the result of a level 1 or 5 inspection.
you can have UP TO 20% of the brake system defective. So if we have a 5 axle truck, you can have two brakes not functioning.
Now. If you are out on the road, find a ruptured brake line or a bad diaphragm, you can cage it, pinch off the line and get it to the shop to be repaired.
What you were doing is perfectly legal.
mndriver
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The 2016 CVSA North American Standard Out of Service criteria manual.
This is the same manual that Johnny Law will use to put you out of service from a DOT inspection.
I started using this kind of as a guide to prioritizing my maintenance in 2015. I have a bunch of things that were failing on my 2003 reefer trailer before I traded it off and needed to make a solid decision to fix it or forget it. I wasn't going to put $1500 worth of brakes and other stuff into a trailer that was going into a trade-in and sold for storage.
This is the same manual that Johnny Law will use to put you out of service from a DOT inspection.
I started using this kind of as a guide to prioritizing my maintenance in 2015. I have a bunch of things that were failing on my 2003 reefer trailer before I traded it off and needed to make a solid decision to fix it or forget it. I wasn't going to put $1500 worth of brakes and other stuff into a trailer that was going into a trade-in and sold for storage.
mndriver
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there is GOBS more to that manual to have it really make sense.
This works basically to really get you off the road and into a safe place to fix the truck correctly. It's not meant to be a "go around" to avoid maintenance".
I've taken the 2013 manual in to a couple of weight stations and talked with inspectors on the stuff that's in them. It's nice information to know too.
This works basically to really get you off the road and into a safe place to fix the truck correctly. It's not meant to be a "go around" to avoid maintenance".
I've taken the 2013 manual in to a couple of weight stations and talked with inspectors on the stuff that's in them. It's nice information to know too.
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