389 Manufacturing Countdown

[Hanover Fist]

Just an FYI...unofficial word from my dealer rep is that the 389 will be killed off in 2024 due to unattainable EPA requirements. If a "hood" is on your wishlist, you might want to plan accordingly.
I'm already seeing a fairly quick rise in older 379 prices.

 

[Ontario Outlaw]

Well, that’s not cool...

 

[mndriver]

Surprised folk ain't yammerin' fer COE......

 

[Hammer166]

Surprised folk ain't yammerin' fer COE......

Sure see a lot of old ones back on the road, all fixed up.

All it will take is one of the big boys to commit to buying a bunch. A slick cabover way slicker than any conventional, aerodynamically, and at some point, fuel mileage will again make them the choice of the big fleets.

 

[Duck]

Sure see a lot of old ones back on the road, all fixed up.

All it will take is one of the big boys to commit to buying a bunch. A slick cabover way slicker than any conventional, aerodynamically, and at some point, fuel mileage will again make them the choice of the big fleets.

I don't know.

With today's automatic transmission steering wheel holders running everything over you'd think the shorter wheelbase would be a selling point. Easier maneuverability means fewer incidents. If fuel efficiency was also better, there would be nothing but cabovers here like in Europe.

I don't think fleets give enough of a crap about the drivers to be turned away by trucks with a bouncy ride either.

 

[Hanover Fist]

Sure see a lot of old ones back on the road, all fixed up.

All it will take is one of the big boys to commit to buying a bunch. A slick cabover way slicker than any conventional, aerodynamically, and at some point, fuel mileage will again make them the choice of the big fleets.

I see about one per day lately, as opposed to about one per month not all that long ago.
That said, there's no way the COE is making a comeback beyond the vocational market...I'm not sure where you heard that a box is more aerodynamic than a hood, but it's simply not true...COEs have the worst aerodynamic properties of any cab style, followed by the traditional hoods.
Due to bureaucratic BS, everything will likely be some sort of aero design in the coming years.

 

[Hammer166]

I see about one per day lately, as opposed to about one per month not all that long ago.
That said, there's no way the COE is making a comeback beyond the vocational market...I'm not sure where you heard that a box is more aerodynamic than a hood, but it's simply not true...COEs have the worst aerodynamic properties of any cab style, followed by the traditional hoods.
Due to bureaucratic BS, everything will likely be some sort of aero design in the coming years.

And old school cabover sucked, yes. A modern, rounded corner and fully faired cabover, not so much. The issue with conventionals is you disturb the airflow twice ; once at the hood, once at the windshield. The Pete 372 was quite slick, and it was little more than a nose cone tacked on the front of a 362 body as far as aero was concerned.

 

[Sinister]

And old school cabover sucked, yes. A modern, rounded corner and fully faired cabover, not so much. The issue with conventionals is you disturb the airflow twice ; once at the hood, once at the windshield. The Pete 372 was quite slick, and it was little more than a nose cone tacked on the front of a 362 body as far as aero was concerned.

International made a flat floor cabover in the mid 90s before they died.

All they did:

Lower the engine in the frame a few inches
Move all the air breather stuff to the back of the cab.

I told my Dad that and his response was in all caps, “WHY THE VERY FUCK DIDNT SOMEONE THINK OF THAT 30 YEARS AGO.”

 

[Shreck]

International made a flat floor cabover in the mid 90s before they died.

All they did:

Lower the engine in the frame a few inches
Move all the air breather stuff to the back of the cab.

I told my Dad that and his response was in all caps, “WHY THE VERY **** DIDNT SOMEONE THINK OF THAT 30 YEARS AGO.”

Yep Wal-Mart bought them for a couple of years,it sure was a lot nicer then crawling over the old dog box.

 

[Hammer166]

International made a flat floor cabover in the mid 90s before they died.

All they did:

Lower the engine in the frame a few inches
Move all the air breather stuff to the back of the cab.

I told my Dad that and his response was in all caps, “WHY THE VERY **** DIDNT SOMEONE THINK OF THAT 30 YEARS AGO.”

I think the Argosy's were the same way.

 

[Sinister]

And old school cabover sucked, yes. A modern, rounded corner and fully faired cabover, not so much. The issue with conventionals is you disturb the airflow twice ; once at the hood, once at the windshield. The Pete 372 was quite slick, and it was little more than a nose cone tacked on the front of a 362 body as far as aero was concerned.

That 372 cost more than a 379 when it came out.

Instead of the cab tilting forward for engine access the entire front beneath the windshield tilted up and outward.

 

[Uncle Birchy]

Sure see a lot of old ones back on the road, all fixed up.

All it will take is one of the big boys to commit to buying a bunch. A slick cabover way slicker than any conventional, aerodynamically, and at some point, fuel mileage will again make them the choice of the big fleets.

Please "do not" give em any "ideas"

 

[Injun]

International made a flat floor cabover in the mid 90s before they died.

All they did:

Lower the engine in the frame a few inches
Move all the air breather stuff to the back of the cab.

I told my Dad that and his response was in all caps, “WHY THE VERY **** DIDNT SOMEONE THINK OF THAT 30 YEARS AGO.”

I like your dad.

I think the Argosy's were the same way.

Shaker still makes Argosy. They sell them in other countries because American drivers are prejudiced against cabovers.

 

[Hammer166]

I like your dad.




Shaker still makes Argosy. They sell them in other countries because American drivers are prejudiced against cabovers.

Yeah, I think I knew that.

I've been at this long enough to remember when the cabovers started to disappear. Outfits that were still running cabovers were having a horrible time trying to get and keep drivers because everyone else was switching to FLD's or the WhiteVolvo unicabs (and a few nicer fleets went to Anteaters or Aardvarks, of course.) It was too little, too late by the time the airride cabs for the cabovers started showing up, which at least brought their ride up to bearable standards.

 

[r3gulator3]

I don't know.

With today's automatic transmission steering wheel holders running everything over you'd think the shorter wheelbase would be a selling point. Easier maneuverability means fewer incidents. If fuel efficiency was also better, there would be nothing but cabovers here like in Europe.

I don't think fleets give enough of a crap about the drivers to be turned away by trucks with a bouncy ride either.

They can’t get most fat ass drivers these days to climb inand out of one. Shit it’s hard enough to get the guy who has a hard time hauling himself in and out of his conventional to actually walk into the truck stop to go to the bathroom. Now put him in a cab over. Shoot good luck. Wanna see a driver shortage. Let’s make euro style COE the only thing on the road.

 

[r3gulator3]

I see about one per day lately, as opposed to about one per month not all that long ago.
That said, there's no way the COE is making a comeback beyond the vocational market...I'm not sure where you heard that a box is more aerodynamic than a hood, but it's simply not true...COEs have the worst aerodynamic properties of any cab style, followed by the traditional hoods.
Due to bureaucratic BS, everything will likely be some sort of aero design in the coming years.

Untrue to a point.euro style COE have air flow through slots, also engines mounted lower. No it’s never gonna hit the bullshit 14mpg that the epa wants. But it will keep up with anything on the market today.

 

[r3gulator3]

International made a flat floor cabover in the mid 90s before they died.

All they did:

Lower the engine in the frame a few inches
Move all the air breather stuff to the back of the cab.

I told my Dad that and his response was in all caps, “WHY THE VERY **** DIDNT SOMEONE THINK OF THAT 30 YEARS AGO.”

Euro companies like MAN DAF and Volvo did. I don’t understand why euro style COE aren’t allowed market in the US.

 

[LarryHutch]

I see about one per day lately, as opposed to about one per month not all that long ago.
That said, there's no way the COE is making a comeback beyond the vocational market...I'm not sure where you heard that a box is more aerodynamic than a hood, but it's simply not true...COEs have the worst aerodynamic properties of any cab style, followed by the traditional hoods.
Due to bureaucratic BS, everything will likely be some sort of aero design in the coming years.

 

[LarryHutch]

Sorry but COE's with that big flat front are not aerodynamic and not built for fuel economy. Only reason you are seeing more of them on the road is because they are pre-1999 and owners do not have to run ELD with them.. Everyone has different likes and dislikes and if you loved sitting over top of the steering tire and bouncing up and down all day long, then more power to you.. I rode enough ships in rough waters to know where to be on a moving object to get less movement..

 

[Hanover Fist]

Untrue to a point.euro style COE have air flow through slots, also engines mounted lower. No it’s never gonna hit the bullshit 14mpg that the epa wants. But it will keep up with anything on the market today.

I'm speaking of the traditional cabovers, not some euro model that isn't available over here.
For example, a Pete 359 was more aerodynamic than a Pete 352, even though neither one of them was very aerodynamic.