Time to end truckings overtime exemption?

[Hammer166]

Could eliminating overtime exemption solve truck driver shortage?

When a driver is paid by the mile yet regulated by hour, there will be a natural disconnect as the financial incentives are constrained by the clock.

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[Electric Chicken]

They'd need to balance productivity expectations with the hourly wage though. Like UPS. They make a lot but they bust it and earn every penny.

 

[Sinister]

They'd need to balance productivity expectations with the hourly wage though. Like UPS. They make a lot but they bust it and earn every penny.

That takes A TON of research and analysis on task performance, travel times, etc.

Not many small companies are going to want to fork over the money to delve into that, and even far too many large size companies out there that think all sorts of shit should still happen for free "as part of the job".

 

[Electric Chicken]

That takes A TON of research and analysis on task performance, travel times, etc.

Not many small companies are going to want to fork over the money to delve into that, and even far too many large size companies out there that think all sorts of shit should still happen for free "as part of the job".

Yeah most of the hourly jobs I find around here only sound decent on the surface. Start asking the right questions and you find their expectations are too high for the dollar.

 

[Shreck]

Yeah most of the hourly jobs I find around here only sound decent on the surface. Start asking the right questions and you find their expectations are too high for the dollar.

You mean like they expect you to work?

 

[Electric Chicken]

You mean like they expect you to work?

Yes. I find that unacceptable.

 

[Shreck]

Yes. I find that unacceptable.

Imagine that.

 

[Mike]

With income changing throughout the United States, truck driver pay is going to have to be further adjusted. Been saying this for a while now.

Hourly drivers are going to have to be paid more for their time.

And yes, if the plan is to continue working drivers 60+ hours per week is going to continue, overtime is likely going to be included.

OTR drivers are going to have to be paid more for their work, and changes are going to have to continue to be made to decrease the amount of time away from home.

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The workforce is changing. It was already changing slowly before COVID and it changed in a big way since.

The work/life balance has changed. People are putting more emphasis on quality of life over money.

How long will this change last? Hard to tell. Could be permanent. How the economy is impacted long term will most likely dictate how this continues.

As for now, minimalistic living is coming to the forefront. People are living with less in terms of things such as housing. More families are now single job families. All this for the ability to actually enjoy their lives rather than seeking a fortune.

People took early retirement packages during covid. Others simply retired earlier than the age for max social security because they figured out a way to live in less and enjoy the remaining years not working.

As a result of all of this, there is a massive amount of available jobs in the workforce, all with higher wages and better benefits than they came with in the past. This makes it even harder for trucking companies to fill jobs and forces companies to rethink their pay and benefits even more.

 

[Sinister]

With income changing throughout the United States, truck driver pay is going to have to be further adjusted. Been saying this for a while now.

Hourly drivers are going to have to be paid more for their time.

And yes, if the plan is to continue working drivers 60+ hours per week is going to continue, overtime is likely going to be included.

OTR drivers are going to have to be paid more for their work, and changes are going to have to continue to be made to decrease the amount of time away from home.

————

The workforce is changing. It was already changing slowly before COVID and it changed in a big way since.

The work/life balance has changed. People are putting more emphasis on quality of life over money.

How long will this change last? Hard to tell. Could be permanent. How the economy is impacted long term will most likely dictate how this continues.

As for now, minimalistic living is coming to the forefront. People are living with less in terms of things such as housing. More families are now single job families. All this for the ability to actually enjoy their lives rather than seeking a fortune.

People took early retirement packages during covid. Others simply retired earlier than the age for max social security because they figured out a way to live in less and enjoy the remaining years not working.

As a result of all of this, there is a massive amount of available jobs in the workforce, all with higher wages and better benefits than they came with in the past. This makes it even harder for trucking companies to fill jobs and forces companies to rethink their pay and benefits even more.

Personally I think it's a net positive.

Once again last night I had a Facebook friend whining about self checkouts.

Changes are coming all throughout society whether we like it or not. Insisting that things stay the same or at ones own comfort level is what the kids call "boomer" as a derogatory- and on this one they're correct.

Now think hie this goes back to the labor force. How hard our generation and generations before worked, and the pressure but on us by society to do so.

And how many people really were able to enjoy they later years of their lives as they were told they'd be able to?

A fraction.

I think maybe more work life balance at an earlier age is a good thing. The fact is that when you're old- you're old. You cannot enjoy some of the things you'd like to anymore.

Shifting focus to a decent life and not loyalty to labors and jobs and companies who in the end don't care and are probably looking forward to buying robots to replace much of their work force anyway.

Thats a terrible sentence. I'm tired. It's early. Quit picking on me.

I don't think these kids are not as stupid as many seem to think they are.

 

[Electric Chicken]

Personally I think it's a net positive.

Once again last night I had a Facebook friend whining about self checkouts.

Changes are coming all throughout society whether we like it or not. Insisting that things stay the same or at ones own comfort level is what the kids call "boomer" as a derogatory- and on this one they're correct.

Now think hie this goes back to the labor force. How hard our generation and generations before worked, and the pressure but on us by society to do so.

And how many people really were able to enjoy they later years of their lives as they were told they'd be able to?

A fraction.

I think maybe more work life balance at an earlier age is a good thing. The fact is that when you're old- you're old. You cannot enjoy some of the things you'd like to anymore.

Shifting focus to a decent life and not loyalty to labors and jobs and companies who in the end don't care and are probably looking forward to buying robots to replace much of their work force anyway.

Thats a terrible sentence. I'm tired. It's early. Quit picking on me.

I don't think these kids are not as stupid as many seem to think they are.

As long as they're actually working and not perpetually mooching I don't care what their priorities are.

 

[Shreck]

Personally I think it's a net positive.

Once again last night I had a Facebook friend whining about self checkouts.

Changes are coming all throughout society whether we like it or not. Insisting that things stay the same or at ones own comfort level is what the kids call "boomer" as a derogatory- and on this one they're correct.

Now think hie this goes back to the labor force. How hard our generation and generations before worked, and the pressure but on us by society to do so.

And how many people really were able to enjoy they later years of their lives as they were told they'd be able to?

A fraction.

I think maybe more work life balance at an earlier age is a good thing. The fact is that when you're old- you're old. You cannot enjoy some of the things you'd like to anymore.

Shifting focus to a decent life and not loyalty to labors and jobs and companies who in the end don't care and are probably looking forward to buying robots to replace much of their work force anyway.

Thats a terrible sentence. I'm tired. It's early. Quit picking on me.

I don't think these kids are not as stupid as many seem to think they are.

I don’t see anything wrong with someone who keeps working instead of (retiring) if they still enjoy what they do.@sinister

 

[Electric Chicken]

I don’t see anything wrong with someone who keeps working instead of (retiring) if they still enjoy what they do.@sinister

Where did he say there was anything wrong with continuing to work?

 

[Sinister]

Where did he say there was anything wrong with continuing to work?

I didn't.

 

[Hammer166]

While I have no problem with a better work/life balance, we all need to be aware that a large driving force behind the current push that direction sees that move as politically beneficial to their desire to see Marxism take over our society.

 

[Electric Chicken]

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While I have no problem with a better work/life balance, we all need to be aware that a large driving force behind the current push that direction sees that move as politically beneficial to their desire to see Marxism take over our society.

Yeah we can't be entirely anti-work. Not many of us have the skills to survive completely independently of the world. You can't be fully anti-work without being pro-leech if you're not what they now call a survivalist.

These anti-work people just want to be lazy. Not work balance or make as much money doing as little as possible lazy...just lazy.

 

[Sinister]

Yeah. Increased work life balance in your prime years is not "anti work".

 

[Electric Chicken]

Yeah. Increased work life balance in your prime years is not "anti work".

Indeed. Pushback against corporate "slavery" is not a bad thing.

We seem to have slipped away from a 40 hour work week being normal, and people are being called lazy for wanting it again.

It especially amazes me how many truckers in particular brag about how many hours/miles they run. Lamenting the end of the 16 hour turn and burn. SMH.

 

[389 Hood]

Rarely do I ever work more than 40-45 hours per week. That is plenty sufficient for me. I'll be the last guy bragging about working 70 hours a week.

I work to live, I don't live to work!

 

[Electric Chicken]

Rarely do I ever work more than 40-45 hours per week. That is plenty sufficient for me. I'll be the last guy bragging about working 70 hours a week.

I work to live, I don't live to work!

Work hart, not smard.

 

[Mike]

While I have no problem with a better work/life balance, we all need to be aware that a large driving force behind the current push that direction sees that move as politically beneficial to their desire to see Marxism take over our society.

While I have no doubt this exists, the biggest problem I see is people’s laziness and desire for entitlements.

@Sinister views this as a net positive. In the short term, I might agree. Long term, there is absolutely nothing positive coming from this.

Short term, we could see overall better working conditions in this industry.

Long term, the nation gets crippled.

Why? Because people aren’t simply learning to live with less. This work/life balance they are achieving, in many cases, is a result of depending on other peoples money via entitlements in order to live this new life.

Given my concern about a possible kidney problem, and who knows what else since being vaccinated, I decided to look into health insurance for the first time in years. Yeah, I’m a cash customer at the doctor.

Given our meal allowence deduction, and equipment depreciation, I input my salary at 60k per year. I did this via a link provided by Uber Freight, which turns out they work with the exchange. I was eligible for healthcare plans that cost over $800/month plus for us that had an actual cost of $0.00. We are talking very low deductible coverage. I was disturbed by that result and just closed the browser window.

My kids can eat at school for free. Breakfast and lunch. They don’t, but they are eligible.

The list is long on what is available if you pursue it.

On the surface, I like the idea of everyone having a solid work/life balance. It has to come from your own pockets, however, to be sustainable. That’s not what’s happening.