The meat debate. Findings, perspectives case stories, etc...


quillcom

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Now I know this is not going to be a popular thread here. :rolleyes: Yeah, I get it, a lot of eyes are already rolling. But I would like to share my personal experience and some interesting facts.

So first off, yes I'm a vegetarian, lacto-ovo, meaning I do include dairy products (eggs and milk). Was born and raised that way. But yes when I got older, in my 20's I wanted to try out meat and I did. For a few years I tried everything, chicken, pork, steak, fish just to name a few.

To tell you the truth I saw no real big difference in my over-all health during this time, granted I was in my 20's and still somewhat "bullet-proof".

But enough about me lets get down to the nitty gritty. I will devote a few message pages for this to spread it out a bit.
 

Findings

Is meat necessary for a healthy diet:

These are the nutrients only found naturally in meat and not in plants. Lets see how many we actually need.

D3 / B12 / Taurine / Creatine / Carnitine / Carnosine / Heme iron / Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) / Eicosapentaenoic Acid (EPA) /



Vitamin D3 (aka Vitamin D); So everyone knows that the sun is a good source, and even on overcast days as it’s the ultraviolet rays that triggers the synthesis of D3. Also most cereals and milk are also fortified with this nutrient.

Vitamin B12: So unless you’re a strict vegan you can get plenty B12 from milk or eggs or even fortified cereal.

Taurine: Again unless you’re a vegan, dairy products have plenty of Taurine.

Creatine: This is considered a non-essential amino acid. Though it has some valuable health benefits your body actually makes this acid in not just one organ but three, the liver, pancreas and kidneys.

Carnitine: Present in just about every cell in the body. It has a huge responsibility of transporting fatty acids to the mitochondria. But again your body’s’ liver and kidneys produce carnitine a plenty.

Carnosine: This is also a non-essential amino acid because our bodies again, produces it.

Heme iron: There are two forms of iron, heme and non-heme. Heme iron only comes from animals while non heme is found in both plants and animals. The only difference between the two is its bioavailability. Heme is easily absorbed while plant based non heme is not. But there are cancerous and other health risk of taking in too much heme iron. And with a well rounded varied diet the non heme iron can be absorbed properly to fulfill iron needs.

Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA): This very essential omega 3 is found primarily in fish. But fish do not naturally produce DHA, they get it from their algae rich diet. Mothers breast milk naturally produces DHA also. Algae, Seaweed, Spirulina. Flaxseed, Chia Seeds, Hemp Seeds, Walnuts and Brussel Sprouts all contain DHA. DHA can be converted from ALA (a-linolenic acid)

Eicosapentaenoic Acid (EPA: Closely related to DHA this fatty acid is found in the same sources as DHA. Like DHA, your body can convert ALA into EPA.



Important note about DHA, EPA and ALA:

These are three very essential fatty acids two of which are found primarily in animal products and algae. The two are DHA and EPA but ALA which is found primarily in non meat sources is converted into DHA and EPA. In a study it was found that vegetarians had the same levels of EPA and DHA as meat/fish eaters; that the body compensated the vegan diet by producing higher levels of EPA and DHA from ALA….

 
By the numbers:

How Much Meat Is Consumed in the U.S.?

As of 2017, America had the second-highest meat consumption in the world, surpassed only by Hong Kong.

Americans consume around 274 pounds of meat per year on average, not accounting for seafood and fish, or individual food waste. The total amount of meat consumed in the U.S. has increased by 40 percent since 1961. In 2017, the U.S.

Department of Agriculture (USDA) reported that Americans are exceeding the amount of meat recommended by national dietary guidelines, although women in the U.S. eat about a third less meat than men, and around 42 percent less beef.


Pork consumption in the U.S. fluctuated between 72.64 and 53.19 pounds per capita between 1961 and 2017. The latest data shows that Americans eat an annual 66.18 pounds of pork per capita.

The U.S. Census data and Simmons National Consumer Survey (NHCS) found that 268 million Americans ate bacon in 2020, with over 16 million eating five pounds of bacon or more during the year.


Meat Protein

One ounce of meat is equivalent to 1 ounce of protein food. Based on a 2,000-calorie diet, the U.S. Department of Agriculture recommends you consume no more than approximately 4 ounces of total meat per day to help meet your protein recommendations.

Remember, however, not all meat is created equal. For example, some cuts of red meat contain high amounts of unhealthy saturated fat, whereas fatty fish contain healthy fats. Specifically, the U.S. Department of Agriculture recommends consuming no more than an average of 1.8 ounces of red meat, 1.5 ounces of poultry and 0.4 ounces of seafood per day, based on a 2,000-calorie diet. The rest of your protein foods should be from non-meat sources.

Non-Meat Protein

Non-meat protein foods, such as nuts, seeds, legumes and eggs, can be just as healthy, if not healthier, sources of protein as meat. In fact, consuming plant protein sources in place of red meat can help protect you from heart disease and Type 2 diabetes, ....


On average, 86 percent of people surveyed for the Statista Global Consumer Survey in 39 countries said that their diet contained meat – highlighting that despite the trend around meat substitutes and plant-based products, eating meat remains the norm almost everywhere in the world.


On average, 86 percent of people surveyed for the Statista Global Consumer Survey in 39 countries said that their diet contained meat – highlighting that despite the trend around meat substitutes and plant-based products, eating meat remains the norm almost everywhere in the world. Infographic: Eating Meat Is the Norm Almost Everywhere
 
No offense there, Q, but I feel you may not get the positive responses that you are looking for. If you do, it'll be by few. That would be a difficult dietary regiment on the road. At home, it would be a lot easier. I eat what I like. From apples, to fish, to Prime Rib and a baked tater to pork, to Venison.
 
Everything in moderation. I'll have beef a few nights a week and chicken a few nights a week and when I am lazy I will have some kind of pasta or rice dish.
I am not the healthiest eater but, I am not the worst either.
 
No offense there, Q, but I feel you may not get the positive responses that you are looking for.
I hear you.

Though I'm not really looking for a positive response. I'm just laying this on the line. Just wanted to throw out some info that others may not know about thats all. Kinda like the same thing I do over in the hidden group. I'm thinking about all of the visitors who may peruse this site and stumble upon this thread to take a looksee. You never know how that can inform someone.
 
I hear you.

Though I'm not really looking for a positive response. I'm just laying this on the line. Just wanted to throw out some info that others may not know about thats all. Kinda like the same thing I do over in the hidden group. I'm thinking about all of the visitors who may peruse this site and stumble upon this thread to take a looksee. You never know how that can inform someone.
Wait, there's a hidden group?
 
Americans eat meat.

Currently there are huge threats to our domestic meat industry, from saboteurs within our local state and federal government.

These people need to properly defined as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

But if you want to be a vegetarian, or even a complete vegan, that is your choice.
 
I went to one of them fancy dinners on a cruise on time you know the kind it is suppose to be a five course meal coffe came in a cup the size of a thimble, the salad consisted of about four SMALL bites the soup was about three tablespoons and then came the main course a beef dish a little larger than a quarter,
the young couple sitting a few tables down in a very loud voice shouted where's the beef stating that he and her husband had gotten married just before embarking and that her husband was going to need a LOT of energy than night and this simply wasn't going to cut it!!
 
I went to one of them fancy dinners on a cruise on time you know the kind it is suppose to be a five course meal coffe came in a cup the size of a thimble, the salad consisted of about four SMALL bites the soup was about three tablespoons and then came the main course a beef dish a little larger than a quarter,
the young couple sitting a few tables down in a very loud voice shouted where's the beef stating that he and her husband had gotten married just before embarking and that her husband was going to need a LOT of energy than night and this simply wasn't going to cut it!!
Chicks are pervs.
 
But if you want to be a vegetarian, or even a complete vegan, that is your choice.
Not for you huh. I get it, and thats fine.


Just to be clear
I'm not coming here trying to turn anyone into a vegetarian. Just giving my perspective on the matter. Many if not most people would be at a loss at what to eat if they tried to go vegan. It takes some well thought out plans and knowledge to make the switch.

So I get all that. Like I basically said at the start, this thread will be pooh poohed by most and I'm fine with that.

But I did notice though when I was offline that this thread had 8 views. "8" :clap:, new threads on this forum will generally only get about 5 or 6
3 members and three visitors or something like that.
 
Not for you huh. I get it, and thats fine.


Just to be clear
I'm not coming here trying to turn anyone into a vegetarian. Just giving my perspective on the matter. Many if not most people would be at a loss at what to eat if they tried to go vegan. It takes some well thought out plans and knowledge to make the switch.

So I get all that. Like I basically said at the start, this thread will be pooh poohed by most and I'm fine with that.

But I did notice though when I was offline that this thread had 8 views. "8" :clap:, new threads on this forum will generally only get about 5 or 6
3 members and three visitors or something like that.
You put "debate" in the title though.

But you're being all civil, and boring about it.

It's more fun when we get to argue & type in capital letters and threaten to kill each other. 😜
 

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