The healthcare bill..


Now think of having to go through all that every time you want something done. That was my point.

The government will not fix this.

This will be my last attempt at giving the clueless a clue...........................................................................................................IT HAPPENS EVERY TIME , NOW!

Hence the reference to not taking up lots of space with boring anecdotes.

It happens now, it happens nearly everytime we deal with a health care provider. When we were dealing with private insurance instead of medicare, it was twice as bad.
Now I only have to threaten a doctor instead of a doctor AND a claims adjuster AND a lawyer.

Like I told IW, you can keep the 1950's horror film's of a Commie takeover, keep the false stories of people that die in waiting rooms overseas, save all that for people who are naive.
For those of us at the bottom of the treatment pool who have seen the atrocities first hand............the only way to make it worse is to send us to a torture chamber.
Hey, maybe that'll be the next opposition ad?
 
Who are you going to threaten when the feds take over the system?

That's what I want to know.

When your claim is mired in red tape the likes of which you've never seen, are you going to threaten the completely ambivalent civil service worker who goes home at 5 pm whether the sky falls or not?

There will be no personal liablilty, therefore there will be no threat that will mean anything.

I'm glad you're proud of what you've been able to accomplish, but I don't think you're going to have the same luck the government run health care fails you.

I'm not giving nightmare scenarios.

Tell me why you think the government will do this efficiently, effectively, and to your satisfaction when private industry has not.
 
Who are you going to threaten when the feds take over the system?

That's what I want to know.

When your claim is mired in red tape the likes of which you've never seen, are you going to threaten the completely ambivalent civil service worker who goes home at 5 pm whether the sky falls or not?

There will be no personal liablilty, therefore there will be no threat that will mean anything.

I'm glad you're proud of what you've been able to accomplish, but I don't think you're going to have the same luck the government run health care fails you.

I'm not giving nightmare scenarios.

Tell me why you think the government will do this efficiently, effectively, and to your satisfaction when private industry has not.

Well threaten is such a harsh word with negative connotations. I prefer to call it persuasion.
I'll admit it is a daunting task at first, but I've had lots of practice so now it's just second nature. It usually begins and ends with the physician in charge. Occasionally it involves an insurance claims manager or lawyer.
Some have been gov't and some private, but the results have been the same.
Let me say that I don't automatically think the gov't can or will do a better job. I'm not oblivious to the fact they usually don't. But as you say, and many agree, private insurance hasn't been so swell either.
So, would it be wrong to at least give it a try?
Worst case scenario is it gets all screwed up and fails. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
That's why I oppose making it mandatory, but as a public option to see if it works better, I just don't see why it's a problem.
The grand plan they started with seems to be fading fast, so as long as we keep a close eye on what is being passed, I don't think it's time to dive into the bomb shelters just yet.
If all that is changed is allowing pre-existing conditions, eliminate fraudulent rescissions, and try some things to bring down the premiums, it might have been worth it.
The simple fact that it (a public option) is being opposed so strongly by so many deep pockets leads me to believe that the proponents may just have struck a nerve.
If nothing else, a nat'l discussion is going to have to take place on subjects most of us avoid. End of life care, terminal patients, assisted living, hospice, DNR's, handicap care, etc.
With something this big and expensive that touches all of us, I just think everything should be open for discussion.
 
Give it a try?? What was the last GOVERNMENT program that got canceled after they found out it didn't work??

July 22, 2009.

Senate Kills Funds for F-22 Fighters - WSJ.com

I do realize it literally takes an act of Congress to cancel a program, that's why I'm against a mandatory provision. If it's voluntary and no one volunteers, it'll die on it's own.
If we grow a pair and call our Congressmen when we want something done, or undone, why be scared to try?
 
I have not been impressed with private health insurance when I had a claim denied years ago.

I thought I had hurt my foot working in the yard. I could not stand on it. Went to the hospital and they asked what I had done. Said working in the yard and may have hurt it in a hole or dropped something on it.

They ran tests and the results came back with gout.

The insurance company denied the claim saying I needed to turn it into the workmens comp insurance for where I injured it.

It took 2 months to convince them, I did not have workmens comp on my home and that if they looked at the result of the tests it was a medical ailment.

The end result was when I asked the final person what they had planned for the weekend and they said they were going to work in the yard. I asked them if they got hurt would they have workmens comp insurance. They said no. Not needed at home. Asked them why I was being denied for and they finally saw the reason.​
 
Well, that sounds a hell of a lot easier than trying to fight the government.

I do wonder though, with the "nothing ventured, nothing gained" attitude...

I just don't share the optimism in seeing it not working, and being able to just "turn it off" like funding for a fighter plane. Military projects are started and canceled all the time, and I don't think health care is a valid comparison. Once we start down this road, there simply will be no turning back, ever.

And what I'm saying about the red tape, and fighting the bureaucrats that rebel doesn't seem to want to understand, is that if the government decides to screw you, you will be totally powerless. All the phone calls, personal addresses, and "persuasion" in the world will mean nothing at all.
 
And what I'm saying about the red tape, and fighting the bureaucrats that rebel doesn't seem to want to understand, is that if the government decides to screw you, you will be totally powerless. All the phone calls, personal addresses, and "persuasion" in the world will mean nothing at all.

Really, is it a lack of understanding on my part?
Rather than waste the space here, go off topic and do what I said I wouldn't, I'll just PM you.
Then if you're still not convinced, I'll shut up and you can read about it in the newspapers someday and say to yourself, "Well I'll be.........."

The short version is the CO of the U.S.S. Destroyer Claude V. Ricketts back in 1989 tried to screw with a sailor named Sean Buchanan. my little brother.
rebel vs. U.S. Navy
Read the PM to find out who won, and how.
I'm thinkin' most people can guess.

Now my wife tells me all the time, "You don't understand, after 9/11 the world changed. You can't talk like that anymore."
BS
Same people, same world, nothing new under the sun and I'll keep handling my business the same way til I die. And I got no problem with that.
 
It seems like the underlying fear on this is some people are just afraid of the gov't and its "power."
Fair enough.
If you're skeered, just say you're skeered.
If you wanna learn from someone who's taken on gov't many times in many different forms and won, fine.
If not, then let someone like me do the fighting for you.
Perhaps we should reread the thread on the signers of the Declaration of Independence and think about our fears.

http://www.truckersforum.net/forum/f5/patriots-19600/
 

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