cajuntrucker59
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Rebel Mason! Attorney at law! How's your uncle perry doing? JK!
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Rebel Mason! Attorney at law! How's your uncle perry doing? JK!
Actually I think it was Ben Franklin or somebody like that.
Duck
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I got out of a reckless driving ticket when I was 16. I was guilty but got off because I proved their evidence was faulty.
Here's exactly what happened. On a Sunday, with 4 friends in the car, I was doing "parking brake donuts" in the grass at the high school between the faculty parking lot and the front entrance, with a front wheel drive Ford Escort. The principal happened to pull into the parking lot for some reason right as I was leaving the school parking lot, and he saw my face.
This went to misdemeanor court, not traffic court for some reason. In court during some kind of pre-trial hearing they showed photos of the grass I tore up and they also had a picture of a bunch of S-shaped posi marks on the concrete sidewalk in that same area and I knew for a FACT that I didn't make those marks with my little 4 cylinder car. It simply wouldn't have the power to do that.
So I spoke up and asked the guy with the pictures "How is a little 4 cylinder front wheel drive car going to leave marks like that on concrete?" He ignored me and went on to describe the measurements and mentioned the distance between the two sets of tracks. At that point the judge said "there's no way a Ford Escort is that wide, those tracks came from a wider vehicle like a van or a pickup truck". He dropped the entire case right there and went with my bull**** story that my friends and I were simply out driving around bored on a Sunday afternoon and happened to drive through the school's parking lot and were seen by the principal.
The judge was right. I didn't leave those posi tracks on the concrete with my little Ford Escort. I made them the day before with my dad's old Dodge pickup.
Here's exactly what happened. On a Sunday, with 4 friends in the car, I was doing "parking brake donuts" in the grass at the high school between the faculty parking lot and the front entrance, with a front wheel drive Ford Escort. The principal happened to pull into the parking lot for some reason right as I was leaving the school parking lot, and he saw my face.
This went to misdemeanor court, not traffic court for some reason. In court during some kind of pre-trial hearing they showed photos of the grass I tore up and they also had a picture of a bunch of S-shaped posi marks on the concrete sidewalk in that same area and I knew for a FACT that I didn't make those marks with my little 4 cylinder car. It simply wouldn't have the power to do that.
So I spoke up and asked the guy with the pictures "How is a little 4 cylinder front wheel drive car going to leave marks like that on concrete?" He ignored me and went on to describe the measurements and mentioned the distance between the two sets of tracks. At that point the judge said "there's no way a Ford Escort is that wide, those tracks came from a wider vehicle like a van or a pickup truck". He dropped the entire case right there and went with my bull**** story that my friends and I were simply out driving around bored on a Sunday afternoon and happened to drive through the school's parking lot and were seen by the principal.
The judge was right. I didn't leave those posi tracks on the concrete with my little Ford Escort. I made them the day before with my dad's old Dodge pickup.
cajuntrucker59
Well Known Smart Azz
Because destruction of private property is a criminal misdemeanor and not a traffic infraction. Glad you beat the charge all the same.
[video=youtube;TgQRgT15f9U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgQRgT15f9U[/video]
Sounds like the plot from "my cousin Vinny"
...and how did you beat this???
Duck
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LOL.
I did have a lawyer named Mason once, Steve mason, he was #2 in the state behind Johnny Cochran in the appellate courts.
If you're ever in trouble in Orlando..............
But to answer, in all 3 cases cited, the cops lied about the evidence to make the case and I just told the truth, albeit in a way that was favorable to me.
Heck, in the first case, the truthful part the cops did testify to sounded so unbelievable, that the part they were lying about was not credible either.
But that was in my wilder days.............
The most recent was just a few years ago.
It was after work on 2nd shift, so it was late, maybe midnite or 1am.
I was heading towards my banks ATM downtown. I had to pass by the "rough section" and stopped at the 4 way lite.
Don't know for sure, but from the looks of things, they were having a drug bust or something a block down on the side street.
A guy on the corner was yelling something at me, but my windows were up because it was raining. I waited for the car approaching to stop, and then went on my way. A cop pulled out from somewhere behind me, pulled me over after following me a while. He said i ran the 4 way blinking stop lite and my tags were expired, gave me the 3rd degree about what I was doing and wanted to search, which I said "no" to - no probable cause and I didn't want all my stuff drug out in the rain for hours so they could find nothing.
My tag was good for 4 more months and said so, didn't matter, the computer said the vehicle was registered in WV and that tag was out.
A little background.
A similar Jeep we had before was totaled and apparently rebuilt and sold in WV, the DMV must have screwed up the VIN #'s when we bought a Jeep, same model, different color.
So, as far as the cop knew, according to his computer, the Jeep i was supposedly driving didn't have good tags in NC, but they were wrong and I had all the paperwork to prove it.
I tried 3 times to get the prosecutor to drop the charges, but she only wanted me to plea to a charge and go to driving school.
3 times I was in court at 9am after working all night so I told her I'd take it to trial.
I told her I had the proof in my pocket, but refused to show her unless she dropped it. No deal.
So about 10 am a week later, the judge asked me was I ready for trial."Yes, I'll be representing myself."
the first thing the DA does is motion to drop the expired tag ticket.
I object on the grounds it is key to my case.
Judge over rules, with a smile, and grants the motion to dismiss the tag charge.
One down, one to go.
The cop takes the stand, tells a story of the guy walking up to my window and handing me something (remember, my window was up and he never got close) me running the lite and them stopping me for an expired tag (oops).
They had two cars on me that nite and apparently the cop on the stand didn't actually "see" all this, but did see me run the lite and pull me.
Remember the car I waited for to stop at the lite? He was between me and the cop for several blocks, that's why it took 1/2 mile to hit the blue lites, in front of Denny's.
He also testified that I didn't appear drunk, under the influence or nervous, the truth.
When I questioned him, is when the part came out about what he actually saw and didn't see.
At one point he asked me a question from the stand about what i was doing out that nite, which I answered with silence and a knowing look towards the judge, who then informed the cop that he was there to answer questions, not ask them from the witness stand.
Then I got to the tag.
I asked him if he saw the tag that nite.
And after seeing the tag, that he indeed wrote me a ticket for it being expired,
Then I said the same vehicle, with the same tag was in the parking lot, right now.
I also had the valid registration in my wallet and a letter from the DMV confirming it was good.
Then I asked this question.
"Officer ______, you testified that you saw my tag with your own eyes and wrote me a ticket for being expired, which we all now know was not true. So tell me, were these the same
eyes that you used to see me run the stop lite with?"
You could hear the snickers in the courtroom and even the judge cracked a smile at the corner of his mouth as the cop stammered "Y-y-yes"
That was about it.
The judge did pull a fast one on me when he ruled.
There is an archaic law in NC whereby you can be found "not guilty" but "responsible."
The effect was I got no points or fines, but did pay $87 court costs AND could NOT appeal the decision.
I had to go home and look it up, no one in the court house had ever heard of it.
I think he realized that I would appeal if he ruled in favor of the cops and they were dangerously close to perjury or false arrest if I pursued it, so he covered everybody's butt and had a good time actually hearing a case for once instead of 100 plea deals.
I did have a lawyer named Mason once, Steve mason, he was #2 in the state behind Johnny Cochran in the appellate courts.
If you're ever in trouble in Orlando..............
But to answer, in all 3 cases cited, the cops lied about the evidence to make the case and I just told the truth, albeit in a way that was favorable to me.
Heck, in the first case, the truthful part the cops did testify to sounded so unbelievable, that the part they were lying about was not credible either.
But that was in my wilder days.............
The most recent was just a few years ago.
It was after work on 2nd shift, so it was late, maybe midnite or 1am.
I was heading towards my banks ATM downtown. I had to pass by the "rough section" and stopped at the 4 way lite.
Don't know for sure, but from the looks of things, they were having a drug bust or something a block down on the side street.
A guy on the corner was yelling something at me, but my windows were up because it was raining. I waited for the car approaching to stop, and then went on my way. A cop pulled out from somewhere behind me, pulled me over after following me a while. He said i ran the 4 way blinking stop lite and my tags were expired, gave me the 3rd degree about what I was doing and wanted to search, which I said "no" to - no probable cause and I didn't want all my stuff drug out in the rain for hours so they could find nothing.
My tag was good for 4 more months and said so, didn't matter, the computer said the vehicle was registered in WV and that tag was out.
A little background.
A similar Jeep we had before was totaled and apparently rebuilt and sold in WV, the DMV must have screwed up the VIN #'s when we bought a Jeep, same model, different color.
So, as far as the cop knew, according to his computer, the Jeep i was supposedly driving didn't have good tags in NC, but they were wrong and I had all the paperwork to prove it.
I tried 3 times to get the prosecutor to drop the charges, but she only wanted me to plea to a charge and go to driving school.
3 times I was in court at 9am after working all night so I told her I'd take it to trial.
I told her I had the proof in my pocket, but refused to show her unless she dropped it. No deal.
So about 10 am a week later, the judge asked me was I ready for trial."Yes, I'll be representing myself."
the first thing the DA does is motion to drop the expired tag ticket.
I object on the grounds it is key to my case.
Judge over rules, with a smile, and grants the motion to dismiss the tag charge.
One down, one to go.
The cop takes the stand, tells a story of the guy walking up to my window and handing me something (remember, my window was up and he never got close) me running the lite and them stopping me for an expired tag (oops).
They had two cars on me that nite and apparently the cop on the stand didn't actually "see" all this, but did see me run the lite and pull me.
Remember the car I waited for to stop at the lite? He was between me and the cop for several blocks, that's why it took 1/2 mile to hit the blue lites, in front of Denny's.
He also testified that I didn't appear drunk, under the influence or nervous, the truth.
When I questioned him, is when the part came out about what he actually saw and didn't see.
At one point he asked me a question from the stand about what i was doing out that nite, which I answered with silence and a knowing look towards the judge, who then informed the cop that he was there to answer questions, not ask them from the witness stand.
Then I got to the tag.
I asked him if he saw the tag that nite.
And after seeing the tag, that he indeed wrote me a ticket for it being expired,
Then I said the same vehicle, with the same tag was in the parking lot, right now.
I also had the valid registration in my wallet and a letter from the DMV confirming it was good.
Then I asked this question.
"Officer ______, you testified that you saw my tag with your own eyes and wrote me a ticket for being expired, which we all now know was not true. So tell me, were these the same
eyes that you used to see me run the stop lite with?"
You could hear the snickers in the courtroom and even the judge cracked a smile at the corner of his mouth as the cop stammered "Y-y-yes"
That was about it.
The judge did pull a fast one on me when he ruled.
There is an archaic law in NC whereby you can be found "not guilty" but "responsible."
The effect was I got no points or fines, but did pay $87 court costs AND could NOT appeal the decision.
I had to go home and look it up, no one in the court house had ever heard of it.
I think he realized that I would appeal if he ruled in favor of the cops and they were dangerously close to perjury or false arrest if I pursued it, so he covered everybody's butt and had a good time actually hearing a case for once instead of 100 plea deals.
vol-trucker
Active Member
Man released after murder conviction overturned - Yahoo! News Well here is one for you Patty Just goes to show the sysyem does work sometimes just slow
Duck
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Sometimes.
Just because the ruling was overturned does not mean he was not guilty; in which case the system does not work.
i'm all for the death penality i wish more states would use it. dump the lethal injection and the firing squad those methods are not painfull enough considering the pain and suffering they conflicted on to there victims family. let one of these criminals do something to one of there familys and see what they say about ole sparky is an inhumane way to exicute someone. id'e be all for bringing ole sparky out. yes some innocent people are put to death weather it's there lawyers fault or what ever i'm against that yea it's sad
cajuntrucker59
Well Known Smart Azz
Remember the scene in the movie "The Green Mile," when percy, the butthole prison guard, didnt put water on the head sponge and the guy caught on fire during his execution in the electric chair?
2xR
******* Derelict *******
Public hanging, in the city square... hang 'em in the morning and leave 'em 'till sundown so everybody has to see just how high the price of crime really is.
I like the Muslim punishment for thievery, as well... cut the hand off. With only one hand remaining a person probably wouldn't want to risk loosing it. too.
We are too soft on violent crimes and crimes that harm others, but, yet we lock away three time dope smokers for nearly ever. The priorities are up-side-down.
vol-trucker
Active Member
Not only do we lock them up, we give them more rights then you or I have I alaways thought when you went to prison you lost your right? That should include the right to sue for better food and TV
yes i do remember that scene cajun. if i remember correctly he was innocent also and they still fried him.
Duck
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It's censored from the versions they show on TV but I've got the DVD around here somewhere.
i have the dvd to. they fried an innocent man if i remember correctly. just goes to show how our legal system works from a number of things most are guilty but theres very few that are truly innocent.
my thoughts excatly 2xr. hang em in the city square and let people watch the whole excicution and let em dangle there blowing in the wind afterwords till sun down to show people how crime really pays off. id'e be all for cuttin off a thiefs fingers for shop lifting to i think japan or china does that and after so many times they cut your hands off. after loosing one hand i don't think a person would risk loosing the second. i myself like muslim punishment seems to be effective!! yea were way to soft on violent crimes. they goto prison and it's like the holiday inn 3 free meals and a bed to lay there heads never mind movies now to damm country club. or i think we should take em out and put em in a pen and use em for target practice for an excicution. and screw protective custody let the pedophiles slip into the general population once they been proven guilty. was reading that a guy might be getting out after serving 50 years for killing a cop thats a crock like there gonna want him running around in there neighborhood
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