Screw Minnesota and their Beet Juice

[r3gulator3]

Since most communities, municipalities and counties take their guidance from mndot

Up around Solway all that stuff is salt and sanded. Us 2, MN200 US71 ect.

 

[Johndeere4020]

I guess sitting through four weeks of Minnesota "snow fighter" training means nothing

Looks like they use more sand than salt.
https://www.dot.state.mn.us/maintenance/faq.html

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How much salt and sand does MnDOT use in a typical winter?
The amounts vary considerably from year to year depending on the severity of the winter. The winter of 2012-13, a particularly severe winter, we used 304.6 thousand tons of salt and 44.3 thousand tons of sand, which compared to 2014-15, considered a more “average” winter we used 173.9 thousand tons of salt and 39.8 thousand tons of sand.

 

[r3gulator3]

Because I state facts? That's all I've done.

No, you changed one statement into a different one and turned it into an argument. This was solely a post about pretreat specifically on the interstate. You want it to be about something else because as I have seen here and in other threads you like to argue. And that’s the sole reason you did it. However I found the magic button and will no longer be seeing your nonsense. I wish you the best.

 

[MJ1657]

No, you changed one statement into a different one and turned it into an argument. This was solely a post about pretreat specifically on the interstate. You want it to be about something else because as I have seen here and in other threads you like to argue. And that’s the sole reason you did it. However I found the magic button and will no longer be seeing your nonsense. I wish you the best.

Hmmm. This is the only thread I've been in other then channel 19 and I ain't argued with anyone there yet.

 

[mndriver]

Looks like they use more sand than salt.
https://www.dot.state.mn.us/maintenance/faq.html

Approximately 10%. I didn't say they didn't use it.

not sure where your math was taught, but the last time I knew 173 was greater than 34.


in the Minnesota DOT road control plan, the only time sand is used is in extreme cold for traction control.

The reason for that is salt, whatever type they have, doesn't work under -15.

 

[Johndeere4020]

Approximately 10%. I didn't say they didn't use it


in the Minnesota DOT road control plan, the only time sand is used is in extreme cold for traction control.

The reason for that is salt, whatever type they have, doesn't work under -15.

Where do you come up with the 10% number? Looks like on an average year it’s about 22%, you said they didn’t use it I was just pointing out that they do.

 

[mndriver]

Where do you come up with the 10% number? Looks like on an average year it’s about 22%, you said they didn’t use it I was just pointing out that they do.

You're right....

 

[Johndeere4020]

Approximately 10%. I didn't say they didn't use it.

They don't use sand either.

 

[Johndeere4020]

Approximately 10%. I didn't say they didn't use it.

not sure where your math was taught, but the last time I knew 173 was greater than 34.


in the Minnesota DOT road control plan, the only time sand is used is in extreme cold for traction control.

The reason for that is salt, whatever type they have, doesn't work under -15.

I see you edited your post after I quoted it, in my haste I didn’t read far enough, in 2012/2013 they used more sand.

 

[mndriver]

Then I will correct myself for your benefit.



Sand is not a primary control for the Minnesota DOT or most government entities


Sand is an extreme measure for extreme cold. Beet juice is used as a pretreatment along with some chlorides

Their primary salt is sodium chloride for the majority of the state.

depending on the temperature, they may move to magnesium or potassium chloride.


The primary purpose of sand is traction control under -15 temperatures.


You can look that up on your Minnesota DOT Website too.

 

[mndriver]

I see you edited your post after I quoted it, in my haste I didn’t read far enough, in 2012/2013 they used more sand.

You can also go back in and see what the edits were.

 

[mndriver]

I see you edited your post after I quoted it, in my haste I didn’t read far enough, in 2012/2013 they used more sand.

44 tons is more than 304?

 

[Sinister]

MN uses sand.

I have no idea how you could possibly think this.

 

[Johndeere4020]

You can also go back in and see what the edits were.

I can bit when a thread moves fast is kinda disingenuous to go back and make an edit assuming people will read it.

 

[MJ1657]

I have no idea how you could possibly think this.

I see the sand in the trucks. I work a few blocks from a sand shed. A good friend spreads sand on the road in front of my house.

 

[Johndeere4020]

44 tons is more than 304?

Again I apologize I misread it, the underlying point is they do use sand and you most certainly said they do not. Blanket statements are dangerous.

 

[Sinister]

I see the sand in the trucks. I work a few blocks from a sand shed. A good friend spreads sand on the road in front of my house.

Perhaps on county and local roads.

Not statewide on the interstate.

 

[mndriver]

Pretreatments also are not about keeping the roads dry. it's to prevent snow and ice from adhering to the asphalt or road surface. nothing more.

 

[r3gulator3]

willmar

Ugh, sorry I missed this earlier I hate autocorrect.

 

[MJ1657]

Perhaps on county and local roads.

Not statewide on the interstate.

Read the original post. It stated MN does not use salt or sand.

That is not correct.

Reading comprehension seems to be an issue in this thread.