How long to wait for a rate confirmation?


Agent_Z

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I had a load locked in today from a carrier I cold called on DAT. We agreed to the $3.02 a mile the carrier was going to get, and I start filling out the paperwork. I tell the dispatcher to give me about ten minutes to get the ball rolling. Ten minutes passes, the paperwork is forwarded to my support office that does the rate confirmations, and I call the dispatcher back and send an e-mail letting him know that we're working on the paperwork. I tell him it will take approximately thirty minutes to an hour to get the paperwork sorted out, we were busy, blah, blah, blah. He says that's all fine, the price was right. No worries. Whatever. Cool beans. --- In the mean time we call the shipper, have them pull the load, and go about our routine, which for the most part works. I send the dispatcher an e-mail and leave a voicemail letting him know the load now belongs to us / him.

45 minutes pass and I send another courtesy e-mail to the carrier letting them know my support staff is on hold with the receiver waiting to hear about appointment times so they can put it all on the rate confirmation and assure him that the load is locked down. The dispatcher tells me he's sorry, but the rate confirmation took too long, and he already booked the truck, without calling me back first.

This happens EVERY-SINGLE-DAY!!!!! Despite my complaints with this business, we always call our shippers and lock down a load before the rate confirmations are signed. It's a double-edged sword. On one hand we can guarantee our carrier that the load does in fact belong to them. On the other, we don't have a signed contract to hold the carrier liable for said load. So once a load is dropped, or a carrier changes their mind on a whim, it's on us and we're responsible for a dropped load fee, which can be several hundred dollars. (I bet a lot of drivers didn't know this.)

Nothing is worse than everyone wasting time just to have another brokerage book a load before the paperwork is finished. And since we have a good relationship with our shippers, they allow us to lock down our loads without having proof of a signed rate con. But it keeps coming back to bite us in the ass time and time and time again.

Yes!! When a brokerage has a good relationship with a shipper, they can get exclusive rights to a load on a whim. We do it every day. There's mutual trust there, and when we tell a shipper we have a carrier locked in, they let us lock in the load.

No!! You won't be able to book that load with another brokerage when we do this. If you don't believe me, feel free to pull up the listing and call the other 10 brokerages advertising the load. --- It won't be there. I promise.

That sale was $50 in my pocket today, and I still offered those Ruskies $3 / mile. Then ... this happened.

It's one thing to say the rate sucks and blow me off. It's another to verbally agree (on a RECORDED LINE), and then back out without notice. Especially when I'm calling and sending e-mails. I always maintain communication with my carriers throughout the process. At least once every 30 minutes. When carriers back out, I have to explain why. In this case ... the dispatcher was an a-hole.

Other brokerages ruin it for us, probably by not doing what they say they're going to do. Then crap like this happens. Drivers whine about brokerages, but in many cases the brokerage can risk 100's of dollars in penalties for dropped loads just to make sure that driver gets what they're negotiating for and isn't wasting time. We do.

Am I going to have a hard time selling this $3 mile (860 miles) load in the morning? No, but if I don't we are going to have to pay the $200 penalty. No risk, no reward? --- Don't say a brokerage never did anything for you. Because if that's happening 2-3 times a day, that's a LOT of money LOST. That's a lot of monetary risk just to lock in a sale. If you want the Freight Agent guarantee, then you better let me do my job, and be patient with paperwork. If I don't collect the right information from the carrier I get to pay that $200 out of my paycheck. Thank god this time I did, so that money would be on the agency, not me.

If you think brokers don't take monetary risks to offer you the services they provide, you're absolutely wrong. Penalties add up FAST!!! And penalty fees are the risk of offering good service. I do what I say I'm going to do. I expect the carrier to do the same. Else it's my ass. If you say you're going to book a load, book it. Once a brokerage shells out a $200 or $400 dropped load penalty on your shenanigans, you're black balled. That's with us, or anyone else.

If you're some a-hole that only types 25 words per minute, take a look in the mirror. I type 130wpm. My support staff probably averages around 50. They input that data as fast as their little fingers will possibly allow them to, one rate confirmation at a time, and unfortunately, TYPING TAKES TIME!!!!!! So does sitting on hold confirming the appointment that you requested. If you want to that 8am appointment locked in, someone has to call and make it for you. So sorry the receiver was busy and my support team had to sit on the phone listening to god-awful hold music to accommodate your needs. --- I guess no one cares that multiple staff members in my agency pissed away their time for nothing. And time is money, right?

That dispatcher wasted another carrier's valuable time. My support team could have been working on the next rate con instead of sitting on hold. That Ruskie was told up front it required an appointment, and agreed to it. Someone has to make that appointment with the receiver. So who does that? It just magically happens? I don't think so ....
 

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Translation....,..

They found a better load

Probably. But I'll say that for once I was offering 6% more than DAT's spot rates. And it definitely wasn't a better rate on the same load.
If you want to shop around, shop around before you make an agreement. A handshake doesn't mean shit anymore, and that's a shame. A verbal agreement should be as good as. I would have been more understanding if it had been a dirt cheap rate, but for the first time in a few weeks, it was more than top dollar. I saw a really good opportunity to make a great sale and still walk away with a buck.

(You think I don't have access to load boards to see what else is coming out of the same area? LOL!!!)

You can say that's just business until your business winds up screwing over the top brokerages in the country and you can't find loads anymore. Because all of the big guys have the capability to lock in a load at the risk of paying a penalty if the deal falls through. Which is where the brokerage takes real financial risk at the expense of someone being a flaky douche.

If you give me your word, and I find out it doesn't mean shit, that makes you an a-hole and a bad businessman. That means you have no code of honor, ethics or morals, and you are scum.
 
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I just didn't want to really say it because it sounds extremely prejudice and I don't like to use gross generalizations for an entire group of people, but if you talk with them enough you soon figure out the truth of it all. Especially the Eastern Europeans. I'm afraid it's the sad truth a lot of times.
 
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Probably. But I'll say that for once I was offering 6% more than DAT's spot rates. And it definitely wasn't a better rate on the same load.
If you want to shop around, shop around before you make an agreement. A handshake doesn't mean **** anymore, and that's a shame. A verbal agreement should be as good as. I would have been more understanding if it had been a dirt cheap rate, but for the first time in a few weeks, it was more than top dollar. I saw a really good opportunity to make a great sale and still walk away with a buck.

(You think I don't have access to load boards to see what else is coming out of the same area? LOL!!!)

You can say that's just business until your business winds up screwing over the top brokerages in the country and you can't find loads anymore. Because all of the big guys have the capability to lock in a load at the risk of paying a penalty if the deal falls through. Which is where the brokerage takes real financial risk at the expense of someone being a flaky douche.

If you give me your word, and I find out it doesn't mean ****, that makes you an a-hole and a bad businessman. That means you have no code of honor, ethics or morals, and you are scum.
Think drivers don't hear that line of crap from brokers?

"Hey, is that rate con coming?"...


"Yeah, give me 10 minutes..."


"Oh sorry man, that load isn't available anymore.".....


Translation?.......


They gave it to some other sucker who took it for $50 less money.
 
That's a good argument to make, except why would an agent be up a carrier's ass every few minutes with phone calls and emails? Because they're bored and want to waste time? It's pointless to debate with someone who thinks brokers shouldn't exist in the first place because your responses will be well scripted at this point. And the brokers that do just what you said to carriers aren't willing to take on the risk of financial loss, i.e. dropped load penalty fee, to make a sale. --- My agency does. That's what separates good brokers from bad brokers.

My only complaint at my agency is rates. This argument isn't about rates. For once the rates were more than fair.

If you sign a rate con and drop a load the broker charges the carrier a fee. If you don't, and my agency can't resell that load, the agency takes on the fee. And if the agent didn't get all of the proper information, or accidentally books with a carrier that isn't approved to do business with us, they pay the fee out of pocket.
 
Because both sides of this game do it.

I'm trying to tell you it's not going to be the last time this will happen to you.

Someone got the drop on you and it pissed you off. It happens.

Get used to it.

Especially if you are going to continue to be an agent or more.
 
Let’s focus on the issue at hand, and leave the ethnicity out of the subject........

As a carrier, dealing with a broker that I am not familiar with, the clock is ticking. If I can’t get a rate confirmation in 15 minutes, 30 at the most, I’m going shopping.

If I wait longer, it’s because the deal is great and the broker is making me feel confident that all is well.

Or, there is nothing worthwhile out there and the wait is worth the risk.
 
In this case, can’t put it on the broker. Broker told company ahead of time about a 45 minute or so wait, and did keep the company updated.

As the carrier rep, if I tell you I am ok with waiting 45 minutes, I will hold to my word. If it goes longer, but you let me know ahead of time why, I would likely be ok with that.

Only time I have had delays on getting a rate con though is due to waiting on the broker to get me approved as a carrier. Sometimes, they actually contact the references and that can take some time.

If the entire wait was due to getting in touch with customer to set appointments, I would be seriously considering my contract with that customer. If you can’t get my appointments set much quicker, I’m not planning on continuing to pay you when I lose the truck.
 
I've waited 2-4 HOURS for a rate con and been stuck without a load from a broker.

"Sorry, shipper said they already moved it....."



Not denying that the carrier may have been a bit shady here.

But carriers and brokers both are guilty of this behavior. Sometimes intentional, sometimes purely by accident.

Curious how many of those carriers he's worked with are one and done and how many he's really tried cultivating.

Honestly, yes be better off to just not go back to work the way he portrays the situation with his agency he works for if it's that much of a loosing battle for him.
 
I have 6 carriers I work with on a regular basis, and the rest are one and dones. I always ask the dispatcher I deal with if they use brokers on a regular basis, and if that's the case, if they will allow me to call them in the morning and ask for empty trucks to find loads for. I spend about 2 hours out of my day doing this.

When it comes to waiting for rate confirmations, I don't do that paperwork. If I did I'd have more security over the loads that I book. I can't control that.
 
Think drivers don't hear that line of crap from brokers?

"Hey, is that rate con coming?"...


"Yeah, give me 10 minutes..."


"Oh sorry man, that load isn't available anymore.".....


Translation?.......


They gave it to some other sucker who took it for $50 less money.
How about when the broker never says a word and you get to the shipper and the load is gone? Broker double booked it.
TONU for sure, if they actually pay it.
Still you are stuck looking for a load a long ways away from a good freight area. It happened to me

I have never been an owner but I worked close with dispatch on broker loads.
 

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