Drifter McDuck
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When you submit your 8-day graph from an ELD, it shows your gps coordinates for each status change.
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When you submit your 8-day graph from an ELD, it shows your gps coordinates for each status change.
Drifter McDuck
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Show me the part of the constitution that makes traveling a “privilege”.
ironpony
Professional Pot-Stirrer
Wrong. The ELD records only the distance and direction +/- 0.5 miles from the center of the nearest municipality from a database specified by the FMCSA. The GPS lat/long coordinates are not normally retained, and that is up to the ELD vendor, including whether GPS is used to determine the geo-location.
Its not. However, possession of a CDL (or any drivers license) is a privilege, and its not a right.
Electric Chicken
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Don't need a license for a horse drawn cart.
Go for that if you don't want to join modern society, which includes following the rules.
Go for that if you don't want to join modern society, which includes following the rules.
One could make a very strong constitutional argument that requiring a driver's license is indeed a restriction on travel in this modern age. The lack of driver training required pretty much makes any argument about "priviledge" moot. I understand the need for the ID aspect, but DLs are largely just a tax structure to produce ID cards.
CDLs are a different animal, as they clearly can be justified under regulating commerce, as well as public safety concerns.
Electric Chicken
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You don't need a license to ride a bus, taxi, horse cart.
Either your trying to twist what was sad or you didn't comprehend it.
You have the right to travel all you want but driving is a privilege.
And before you ask it. Here's one of many :
Miller v Reed 1999 , 9th Circuit .
176 F..3d 1202.
Heck there's cases going all the way back to 1914.
no, but you do need...money...money...poop bag.
Rigjockey
In Gord we trust!
As a driver you are not traveling. You are not some kinda tourist. You are working.
What you are is,..... Engaged in interstate commerce!
BrandonCDLtrucker
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Who said anything about Onguard? You said ABS or traction control. I said that disabling ABS which is required by law is illegal.
BrandonCDLtrucker
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Traveling is a right, driving is a privilege. We aren't commercial travelers, we're commercial drivers. Rights cannot be revoked and don't require a license. Driving involves a license that can be revoked.
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II never said anything about abs or Traction control.
BrandonCDLtrucker
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You didn't say it, OO did as quoted above. And I'll say it again. Disabling required safety features of a commercial vehicle is illegal and can result in huge fines and penalties. TC is not required but ABS is.
Ontario Outlaw
Hozer Witta Hood
You’re as bad as @gearjammer is for fearmongering.
The day I get caught red-handed in the USA is a day that hasn’t happened yet. I’m not “disabling” anything, there’s two switches on the dash, one for truck ABS one for trailer ABS. If it was “mandatory” the manufacturer wouldn’t give you switches to make it “optional”.
I’ve been in this truck two years now never once run ABS haven’t got no “huge fines and penalties”. In fact, other than a couple level 3s on the roadside we’ve never been inspected at a coop in the USA. They’re magically closed or on different roads than we run on
BrandonCDLtrucker
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Everyone hasn't been caught until they are.
What's the huge fine and penalty and what safety features are required.
ironpony
Professional Pot-Stirrer
To pass a CVSA brake inspection, the BBS must be operational and working.
CVSA Brake Inspection
Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards; Stability and Control of Medium and Heavy Vehicles During Braking
Action:Final rule.
Summary:In response to the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act (ISTEA) of 1991, this final rule amends Standard No. 105, Hydraulic Brake Systems, and Standard No. 121, Air Brake Systems, to require medium and heavy vehicles to be equipped with an antilock brake system (ABS) to improve the directional stability and control of these vehicles during braking. For truck tractors, the ABS requirement is supplemented by a 30-mph braking-in-a-curve test on a low coefficient of friction surface using a full brake application. By improving directional stability and control, these requirements will significantly reduce deaths and injuries caused by jackknifing and other losses of directional stability and control during braking. In addition, this final rule requires all powered heavy vehicles to be equipped with an in-cab lamp to indicate ABS malfunctions. Truck tractors and other towing trucks are required to be equipped with two separate in-cab lamps: one indicating malfunctions in the towing truck ABS and the other indicating malfunctions in the towed trailer or dolly ABS. Trailers produced during an initial eight-year period must also be equipped with an external malfunction indicator that will be visible to the driver through the rearview mirror of the towing truck or tractor. More specifically, the external trailer indicator will indicate an ABS malfunction to the driver, if the trailer is being towed by an older vehicle that is not equipped with an in-cab lamp for trailer ABS malfunction indication. In general, the indicators will provide valuable information about ABS malfunctioning to the driver and to maintenance and Federal and State inspection personnel.
393.55 Antilock brake systems.
(c) Air brake systems. (1) Each truck tractor manufactured on or after March 1, 1997 (except truck tractors engaged in driveaway-towaway operations), shall be equipped with an antilock brake system that meets the requirements of FMVSS No. 121 (49 CFR 571.121, S5.1.6.1(b)).
(2) Each air braked commercial motor vehicle other than a truck tractor, manufactured on or after March 1, 1998 (except commercial motor vehicles engaged in driveaway-towaway operations), shall be equipped with an antilock brake system that meets the requirements of FMVSS No. 121 (49 CFR 571.121, S5.1.6.1(a) for trucks and buses, S5.2.3 for semitrailers, converter dollies and full trailers).
(d) ABS malfunction circuits and signals for air braked vehicles. (1) Each truck tractor manufactured on or after March 1, 1997, and each single-unit air braked vehicle manufactured on or after March 1, 1998, subject to the requirements of paragraph (c) of this section, shall be equipped with an electrical circuit that is capable of signaling a malfunction that affects the generation or transmission of response or control signals to the vehicle's antilock brake system (49 CFR 571.121, S5.1.6.2(a)).
(2) Each truck tractor manufactured on or after March 1, 2001, and each single-unit vehicle that is equipped to tow another air-braked vehicle, subject to the requirements of paragraph (c) of this section, shall be equipped with an electrical circuit that is capable of transmitting a malfunction signal from the antilock brake system(s) on the towed vehicle(s) to the trailer ABS malfunction lamp in the cab of the towing vehicle, and shall have the means for connection of the electrical circuit to the towed vehicle. The ABS malfunction circuit and signal shall meet the requirements of FMVSS No. 121 (49 CFR 571.121, S5.1.6.2(b)).
(3) Each semitrailer, trailer converter dolly, and full trailer manufactured on or after March 1, 2001, and subject to the requirements of paragraph (c)(2) of this section, shall be equipped with an electrical circuit that is capable of signaling a malfunction in the trailer's antilock brake system, and shall have the means for connection of this ABS malfunction circuit to the towing vehicle. In addition, each trailer manufactured on or after March 1, 2001, subject to the requirements of paragraph (c)(2) of this section, that is designed to tow another air-brake equipped trailer shall be capable of transmitting a malfunction signal from the antilock brake system(s) of the trailer(s) it tows to the vehicle in front of the trailer. The ABS malfunction circuit and signal shall meet the requirements of FMVSS No. 121 (49 CFR 571.121, S5.2.3.2).
(e) Exterior ABS malfunction indicator lamps for trailers. Each trailer (including a trailer converter dolly) manufactured on or after March 1, 1998, and subject to the requirements of paragraph (c)(2) of this section, shall be equipped with an ABS malfunction indicator lamp which meets the requirements of FMVSS No. 121 (49 CFR 571.121, S5.2.3.3).
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Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards; Stability and Control of Medium and Heavy Vehicles During Braking
Action:Final rule.
Summary:In response to the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act (ISTEA) of 1991, this final rule amends Standard No. 105, Hydraulic Brake Systems, and Standard No. 121, Air Brake Systems, to require medium and heavy vehicles to be equipped with an antilock brake system (ABS) to improve the directional stability and control of these vehicles during braking. For truck tractors, the ABS requirement is supplemented by a 30-mph braking-in-a-curve test on a low coefficient of friction surface using a full brake application. By improving directional stability and control, these requirements will significantly reduce deaths and injuries caused by jackknifing and other losses of directional stability and control during braking. In addition, this final rule requires all powered heavy vehicles to be equipped with an in-cab lamp to indicate ABS malfunctions. Truck tractors and other towing trucks are required to be equipped with two separate in-cab lamps: one indicating malfunctions in the towing truck ABS and the other indicating malfunctions in the towed trailer or dolly ABS. Trailers produced during an initial eight-year period must also be equipped with an external malfunction indicator that will be visible to the driver through the rearview mirror of the towing truck or tractor. More specifically, the external trailer indicator will indicate an ABS malfunction to the driver, if the trailer is being towed by an older vehicle that is not equipped with an in-cab lamp for trailer ABS malfunction indication. In general, the indicators will provide valuable information about ABS malfunctioning to the driver and to maintenance and Federal and State inspection personnel.
393.55 Antilock brake systems.
(c) Air brake systems. (1) Each truck tractor manufactured on or after March 1, 1997 (except truck tractors engaged in driveaway-towaway operations), shall be equipped with an antilock brake system that meets the requirements of FMVSS No. 121 (49 CFR 571.121, S5.1.6.1(b)).
(2) Each air braked commercial motor vehicle other than a truck tractor, manufactured on or after March 1, 1998 (except commercial motor vehicles engaged in driveaway-towaway operations), shall be equipped with an antilock brake system that meets the requirements of FMVSS No. 121 (49 CFR 571.121, S5.1.6.1(a) for trucks and buses, S5.2.3 for semitrailers, converter dollies and full trailers).
(d) ABS malfunction circuits and signals for air braked vehicles. (1) Each truck tractor manufactured on or after March 1, 1997, and each single-unit air braked vehicle manufactured on or after March 1, 1998, subject to the requirements of paragraph (c) of this section, shall be equipped with an electrical circuit that is capable of signaling a malfunction that affects the generation or transmission of response or control signals to the vehicle's antilock brake system (49 CFR 571.121, S5.1.6.2(a)).
(2) Each truck tractor manufactured on or after March 1, 2001, and each single-unit vehicle that is equipped to tow another air-braked vehicle, subject to the requirements of paragraph (c) of this section, shall be equipped with an electrical circuit that is capable of transmitting a malfunction signal from the antilock brake system(s) on the towed vehicle(s) to the trailer ABS malfunction lamp in the cab of the towing vehicle, and shall have the means for connection of the electrical circuit to the towed vehicle. The ABS malfunction circuit and signal shall meet the requirements of FMVSS No. 121 (49 CFR 571.121, S5.1.6.2(b)).
(3) Each semitrailer, trailer converter dolly, and full trailer manufactured on or after March 1, 2001, and subject to the requirements of paragraph (c)(2) of this section, shall be equipped with an electrical circuit that is capable of signaling a malfunction in the trailer's antilock brake system, and shall have the means for connection of this ABS malfunction circuit to the towing vehicle. In addition, each trailer manufactured on or after March 1, 2001, subject to the requirements of paragraph (c)(2) of this section, that is designed to tow another air-brake equipped trailer shall be capable of transmitting a malfunction signal from the antilock brake system(s) of the trailer(s) it tows to the vehicle in front of the trailer. The ABS malfunction circuit and signal shall meet the requirements of FMVSS No. 121 (49 CFR 571.121, S5.2.3.2).
(e) Exterior ABS malfunction indicator lamps for trailers. Each trailer (including a trailer converter dolly) manufactured on or after March 1, 1998, and subject to the requirements of paragraph (c)(2) of this section, shall be equipped with an ABS malfunction indicator lamp which meets the requirements of FMVSS No. 121 (49 CFR 571.121, S5.2.3.3).
Yes I know about ABS , what's the huge fine or penalty?
What other safety features are required?
ironpony
Professional Pot-Stirrer
You can go look up CSA yourself big boy. Fines are up to the courts, and are a state deal.
If you don't have a clue about what other safety features that are required on commercial trucking equipment, go turn in your pretend CDL to the CDL mill you got it from
So... The answer is You don't know.
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