patriciajnsn
Steering Wheel Holder
LOL,I had to laugh when u said even Terry drives faster then that,LOL.
Anyone heavy haul for wind energy?
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patriciajnsn
Steering Wheel Holder
At first I thought this guy was feeding me a line.But after seeing the proof on his phone with him in that video and his knowledge of super size I believed him.
knucklehead
King of the Road
wind power, fraud. But, hey. If it pays, get it while you can.
Duck
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One time in Iowa somewhere, I was stuck behind some idiot in a Prime truck on a 2-lane road. It was really windy and he was fighting with his empty trailer. He got on the CB and complained about the wind.
We happened to be going past one of those wind "farms". The 70% of them that weren't currently broken down were spinning pretty good. I told the idiot Prime driver that it wouldn't be so windy if they'd shut off all those big giant nuclear powered fans.
The guy was actually believing that they were nuclear powered fans, for about 5 minutes til some lame-wad going the other direction keyed up and told him the truth. He either believed it or he was really good at playing dumb.
We happened to be going past one of those wind "farms". The 70% of them that weren't currently broken down were spinning pretty good. I told the idiot Prime driver that it wouldn't be so windy if they'd shut off all those big giant nuclear powered fans.
The guy was actually believing that they were nuclear powered fans, for about 5 minutes til some lame-wad going the other direction keyed up and told him the truth. He either believed it or he was really good at playing dumb.
Lisa
Member
Fraud, care to explain?
Yeah, I ended up getting in trouble on another forum when some "knucklehead" said that the wind is unreliable. Explaining physics and the rotation of the earth wouldn't make this guy eat his words.
The sun shines every day and the wind blows as long as the earth spins. the only thing that is "unreliable" or lacking, is our own attempts at harnessing this massive power. And as long as we continue to give head to the Arabs and Big Oil, we WON'T make much progress.
Yeah, don't even try to have an intelligent conversation with people like that. You'll be severely disappointed.
Your thread was how to get a job driving for them,
Concentrate on that.
patriciajnsn
Steering Wheel Holder
Dam,LOL.I should have done the math at the laundromat,LOL.He says Canada but can't remember where in CanadaIf I did'nt see the video for myself and him in it,I would'nt believe a word he says..
Lisa
Member
Yeah, don't even try to have an intelligent conversation with people like that. You'll be severely disappointed.
Your thread was how to get a job driving for them,
Concentrate on that.[/QUOTE]
True! I just wanted to hear the BS to be honest with you!
Husband is already heavy haul for the wind industry. He has that part covered!
Your thread was how to get a job driving for them,
Concentrate on that.[/QUOTE]
True! I just wanted to hear the BS to be honest with you!
Husband is already heavy haul for the wind industry. He has that part covered!
Yeah, I know, birds of a feather and all that.
I get the same from people who don't know the first thing about solar power and think you can't use it on cloudy days, winter days and when it snows.
I'll explain the physics to them once, but if they are an oxycontin ditto head, I don't bother to try it twice.
I paid for my own course work in solar and electrician and bought my own panel, hooked it to a voltmeter and proved the results for myself.
Same with wind.
You won't get me to agree with a large scale wind farm because I understand physics and practicality. But that is not the fault of the wind. That is human error.
On a small scale, in individual communities, with the right storage system (compressed air, molten salt or water) it is very effective.
But some people have no imagination and unless you show them EXACTLY how to do it in every detail AND prove it to them until they're satisfied - they always say "No No No, that won't work."
I ain't got time for foolishness like that.
Duck
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Correct. The biggest problem with large scale wind farms is the power grid. The big wind farms being in rural areas, the 100 yr old power grid was never designed to support large amounts of power in rural areas. Power plants are in urban areas, and the consumption is mostly in urban areas. Power usage in rural areas is still sparse and spread out. So unless the wind farms happen to be near high-tension lines capable of handling that kind of power generation, there's gonna be problems.
Human error, .. yeah I know. There's also other problems like dealing with the fact the power generated will never be steady. On light wind days, they won't generate much. On windy days, they either generate too much for the grid or they have to feather the blades to slow them down, or totally stop them to prevent damage to the machinery. Without it being a steady, dependable and controllable amount of power being generated, that's when the ingenious storage systems are needed. (I'm not familiar with the molten salt thing though. How's that work?)
Better wind turbine designs such as the Darrius Rotor are more efficient but they're not using them for some reason. Darrius rotors are a vertical axis vane that will spin regardless of wind direction. They don't have to rotate them to keep them pointed into the wind. (or deal with the physics involved in changing the axis of a large, heavy spinning object) And the big heavy generator can be on the ground, which reduces maintenance costs.
My dad's been studying what I call "tree-hugger technology" for years. He never shuts up about it, actually.
And some of their storage systems are fascinating. Obviously they can't do it with batteries on a large scale.
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I'm working on a vertical turbine, probably two, for my house. Not the darius blade design, just a straight blade, nothing fancy.
The storage battery? About 3,000 gallons of water. Pump the water uphill, then release downhill ending in a microhydro generator.
The solution to variable windspeed for electrical production? Variable speed pulleys, just like the ones used in a Bridgeport mill.
Think of a "V" and a "^" with a belt in between. As one shaft spins faster, the other goes slower, maintaining rpms.
This ain't rocket science, although I have helped build 'em.
Molten salt?
Used primarily in the type of solar facility built in the desert southwest. Mirrors and magnifiers that create tremendous heat. That melts the salt. The excess heat turns water to steam for the turbine and the molten salt continues to heat the water to steam at night when the sun goes down.
Then repeat the next day when the sun comes up again.
Wanna see ancient solar technology?
Go look at a tree.
Solar energy turned into chemical-electrical energy every day with chloropyll.
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Duck
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You mean a CVT like on a go-kart? I was talking about the big ones that Sinister hauls blades for. You're talking about something for your back yard, so you can either live off-grid or save on your electric bill.
I'd like to live off-grid somewhere. Out in the middle of nowhere. I've studied stuff like that. But I think it would be expensive to implement and be almost a full time job to maintain. On a small scale like that, the practicality of wind and solar energy is a lot different than when they try to do it on a grand scale like the big wind farms.
Solar energy can more practically be converted to heat than to electricity. And wind energy is more efficiently converted to electricity (or just rotational shaft power for something) than to heat.
That would be like combining the storage system with the actual generation process itself.
God will always be a better engineer than humans.
If I ever design an off-grid system, I'd design the house around it. I mean have a house built, like Racer did. Planning for the future of living in a communist country, I'd most likely go with a geo-thermal idea, since it would have to be like a bunker anyway. So having it built into a hill would provide a geo-thermal heating/cooling but it would need a little supplemental heat. Heating fuels will be $40 a gallon and electricity will be $20 a kilowatt nanosecond, if they pass Cap & Trade & shut down the coal plants. So for heat I was thinking of a big sand box thing.
A sand box, about 8x12x3, made of railroad ties, with copper pipe snaked back and forth in it, encased in sand. On top of the sand will be copper sheet metal, with the top side coated with acetylene soot. This would have to be done in a workshop or with NO wind. Light only the acetylene, no oxygen. Cover the whole thing with soot so it's flat black. Have that over the sand, and then glass (or possibly lexan if it won't melt) on top. The area between the glass top and the soot-covered copper has to be kept dry and airtight or the soot won't last. The non-reflective flat black soot will absorb solar heat, the copper transfers it to the sand. The sand is an insulator, holds it's heat for a long time. Water is run through the copper tubing and circulated through the cement floor of the house. (The cement floor will be poured, encasing the tubing.) There's probably a more efficient way to collect and store solar heat, but that's just one idea I had. I do not want to build a steam engine or turbine. I don't see them as being very efficient at all. There's a reason why diesel-electric hybrids replaced the old steam locomotives. I've seen some recent steam engine designs, some of them fascinating how they work, but still not very efficient.
In long periods of overcast skies and short winter days, one of those outdoor wood furnaces/boilers can supplement the heat if check valves are used to make sure it heats the house instead of the sand box. Decaying DNA matter also produces a small amount of heat. Some people use decaying silage the same way, in a big bin full of copper tubes to heat water. Composting grass clippings, leaves, biodegradable household garbage like banana peels, etc.
For electricity I'd have solar panels as a backup or for certain things like sensitive electronics, but the bulk of the power would be generated by some kind of vertical axis wind turbine. And I'd also use the 3000 gallon water tower & hydro-generator type system of storing electrical energy. I'd also, if possible, pick a site that's near a steady flowing creek, preferably a fast-flowing one that I can make a small-scale hydro-dam on, if the local tree-huggers don't start whining about fish and "habitats".
Sail boats, the ocean-going kind, often drag long spring-steel wires or cables with a propeller at the end. The motion of the boat through the water spins the prop. The spring steel wire acts as a flexible drive shaft and spins a generator on the stern. Not a whole lot of power is generated, about as much as having one of those little generators that rub on a bicycle tire, ... but stored up in a deep cycle battery, you can use it to run a laptop or something for a few hours a day. Something like that could used in a creek if the local hippy tree-hugging zoning bureaucrats won't allow a small hydro-dam.
:blush:Sooooo...................are you sayin' when a guy needs his own escort vehicle, it DOES get noticed???
Sounds like a plan. This is the site most of the pros get their info from.
NREL: Geothermal Technologies Home Page
I just pasted the geothermal section, but NREL has a lot of technical info on all the other stuff too.
Lots of maps, historical and weather data, just about everything.
Yeah, I guess the CVT is the general idea only with a simple belt and two opposite tapered pulleys rather than gears, which is what some cars use and the huge turbines have. It's that gearbox that seems to be the trouble spot for G.E. I think the lubrication fails and they burn up. A machinist neighbor of mine told me to use gears and chain, not pulleys and belt, because they break easier, but I'm not so sure. I mean I know the chain system IS stronger, but heavy duty belts are pretty tough too. And with the motor on the ground, not bad to work on. I'll also use the water pump as an additional governor for the high wind speeds, to put more drag on as the speed picks up, like an energy shunt. Rather than dam the creek, I'm gonna pump the water about 75-100 ft. up to the house, store it in those 300 gal. plastic, caged reservoirs like you see oil hauled in, and stack them connected, on the hillside.
Then when power is needed, the valve opens and the water goes back thru a PVC pipe back down to the creek where the hydro generator is. That's the plan anyway.
A little passive solar on the roof (black PVC pipes) for hot water see what happens.
Mr. Q
Silent Observer
Don't worry, I read the entire thing. Didn't want to read it on the phone, and I got to bust the laptop out for the first time in a week.
terrylamar
Well-Known Member
????? I have outlets I plug into. Seems to work pretty good.
Idahotrucker
Member
Lol funny. You need a specail permit for that right? And extended schooling.
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