Johndeere4020
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New Holland bought Ford in the early 90’s, it’s the same company.
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Johndeere4020
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A machines country of origin is required for it to be sold in the US. I’ve made my point, show me a rebranded Deere.
I’m not sure what you mean by this, but as I said above and have already said. The Bobcat is a rebranded tractor, there are no Deere’s that are rebranded. Deere construction is a different matter.
Electric Chicken
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Ford bought New Holland. It was the same company. Ages ago.
Johndeere4020
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Yes ok I got them backwards, doesn’t change my underlying point.
Electric Chicken
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Well it's not the same company either. It used to be the same company that made the F150 made the harvester. Hasn't been true for years.
For some goobery reason I decided to look into this as a Pennsylvanian. Since New Holland, PA is where New Holland originated and has a token legacy plant and HQ.
Johndeere4020
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Ford and New Holland are absolutely the same company. Ford Bought New Holland then Fiat bought them them them merged into the CaseIH brand. I farmed with new Holland equipment all my life and I remember that’s things taking place. Look at a 4WD articulated tractors they’re identical and the row crops are very similar, as far as I know they’re built in the same factory in Racine Wisconsin I believe
Johndeere4020
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I guess I’m saying ford motor company doesn’t build agricultural equipment anymore and haven’t for 30+ years.
Electric Chicken
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Ford hasn't been involved with New Holland in years. Try to keep up.
Johndeere4020
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I’m way ahead of you, follow along here ok. Ford bought New Holland, Fiat bought most of Ford New Holland, then merged with CaseIH. Ford was clear out of the agricultural business by the mid 90’s. The licensed the Ford name for 10 years I think then that was it. Ford had no agricultural interests at all today.
Electric Chicken
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That's literally what I said. Lol.
But you said Ford and New Holland are the same company. As in currently. Are is the present. But they're not. New Holland was independent, Ford bought them, then Ford sold them. That's not "the same company."
They were just together for a little while.
Johndeere4020
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Ford did not sell them, Ford bought New Holland, Fiat bought them both and did not retain the rights to the Ford name but retained the rights to the intellectual property and all of the manufacturering facilities and tooling. Ford did not sell them Ford just ceased to exist. There is no Ford agricultural equipment today.
BlackBart
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I think Ford stopped makin heavy trucks roundabout that time...
Electric Chicken
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Ford is not owned by Fiat.
Ford is Ford Motor Company and very much still exists. Lmao.
Johndeere4020
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I’m fully aware that ford motor company exists I never not one time said they didn’t. I said ford agricultural equipment doesn’t exist. What’s left of Ford agricultural equipment is now part of CNH.
Johndeere4020
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No that was later, 99ish
Humble pie
What we have is a failure to communicate.
Not ford motor company. Fords equipment division. Fiat no longer builds equipment either. Case bought fiats equipment division. Thus case new holland.
Electric Chicken
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Yes and Ford Motor Company is the Ford that bought and sold New Holland.
Electric Chicken
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FMC is/was the owner of it.
So yeah, Ford is out of agriculture but that's because they sold their divisions.
Ford wasn't bought by Fiat. A division of Ford was bought by Fiat and is now joined up with Case to be CNH.
Johndeere4020
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I’m not even sure what the hell were talking about anymore. I know ford bought and sold New Holland but they also sold the ford Agricultural division which is what I’m talking about.
Electric Chicken
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You're using Ford to refer to Ford/New Holland as if it wasn't owned by Ford Motor Company while I'm using Ford to refer to Ford Motor Company, the former owner of Ford/New Holland.
So when I say Ford owned and sold New Holland it's because Ford Motor Company bought and sold New Holland. So yes, Ford as Ford New Holland the blue and white tractors was dissolved and they're all just New Holland now but Ford is still in existence because was the parent company, and they make cars & trucks like they always did.
