ATRI report calls possible VMT tax costly and complicated

[Mike]

That's not as big a problem as one would think, except for the perception. Anyone driving a hybrid that many miles a year isn't seeing a lot of benefit of the hybrid technology, they're spending most of their miles being pushed down the road by the gas engine, and paying the fuel tax associated with that higher fuel burn.

Yes and no.

While it’s not as good on the highway, 50-60 is still an achievable number, and that’s running with traffic.

Still, though, the tax needs to be associated with usage.

 

[Mike]

The prius doesn't seem to be a whole lot worse on gas on the highway than local.

Gas Mileage of 2020 Toyota Prius

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I usually get about 39/39 mpg with my Goldwing.

The Prius is great in town and on the highway. Wife was happy to give it to the kid and start driving my Jeep until the gas prices spiked. She gets pissed every time she has to fill it up now.

 

[Electric Chicken]

The Prius is great in town and on the highway. Wife was happy to give it to the kid and start driving my Jeep until the gas prices spiked. She gets pissed every time she has to fill it up now.

Shoulda kept the KW for her to buzz around in.

 

[mndriver]

So what’s an appropriate “level of cost” for use of the road?

Pickup that gets 15 mpg? Sedan that gets 29 mpg?

Hybrid that gets 50 mpg?


There’s still a level of disparity.

 

[Mike]

So what’s an appropriate “level of cost” for use of the road?

Pickup that gets 15 mpg? Sedan that gets 29 mpg?

Hybrid that gets 50 mpg?


There’s still a level of despairity.

If they went to a per mile tax, this would easily be solved. Your MPG no longer would matter

also, and this will piss lots of people off if it were to happen, but they could further break this down by vehicle type and weight.

Cars pay x/mile

suv/light trucks pay xx/mile

heavier rates pickups/vans pay xxx/mile

the heavier the vehicle, the more damage they can do to the roads.

And don’t think they haven’t thought about this, or will think about it. Just one more way to incentivize people to buy smaller economical vehicles and get rid of the big stuff.

This is basically the way states, at least some of them, handle yearly registrations. Different fees based on the vehicle.

 

[mndriver]

If they went to a per mile tax, this would easily be solved. Your MPG no longer would matter

also, and this will piss lots of people off if it were to happen, but they could further break this down by vehicle type and weight.

Cars pay x/mile

suv/light trucks pay xx/mile

heavier rates pickups/vans pay xxx/mile

the heavier the vehicle, the more damage they can do to the roads.

And don’t think they haven’t thought about this, or will think about it. Just one more way to incentivize people to buy smaller economical vehicles and get rid of the big stuff.

This is basically the way states, at least some of them, handle yearly registrations. Different fees based on the vehicle.

So you’d want to apply a weight distance tax sans Oregon/New Mexico / New York type program across the board on ALL vehicles, commercial and private.

 

[Electric Chicken]

So what’s an appropriate “level of cost” for use of the road?

Pickup that gets 15 mpg? Sedan that gets 29 mpg?

Hybrid that gets 50 mpg?


There’s still a level of disparity.

42.

No matter what. 42.

 

[Duck]

42.

No matter what. 42.

I'm 42

 

[Electric Chicken]

I'm 42

See.

 

[Mike]

So you’d want to apply a weight distance tax sans Oregon/New Mexico / New York type program across the board on ALL vehicles, commercial and private.

I think taxing according to actual use is the only fair way to do it.

If grandma buys a Tesla and only uses it to go to church and the grocery store, she doesn’t need to be paying the same flat tax as someone burning up the highway doing route sales.

Kind of like how gas tax was, when everything ran only on gas.

 

[Electric Chicken]

I think taxing according to actual use is the only fair way to do it.

If grandma buys a Tesla and only uses it to go to church and the grocery store, she doesn’t need to be paying the same flat tax as someone burning up the highway doing route sales.

Kind of like how gas tax was, when everything ran only on gas.

Maybe we can do an over 65 thing.

 

[Mike]

Maybe we can do an over 65 thing.

I’m all for that, but age wasn’t the point, lol. It’s the mileage variance.

 

[Electric Chicken]

I’m all for that, but age wasn’t the point, lol. It’s the mileage variance.

I dunno my dad hates being called old until he gets to Texas Roadhouse.

 

[Duck]

I dunno my dad hates being called old until he gets to Texas Roadhouse.

Yeah, with the senior discount, you don't have to sell your house to pay the check.

Just your car.

 

[Mike]

I dunno my dad hates being called old until he gets to Texas Roadhouse.

off topic fact. Texas Roadhouse was founded in Indiana. We’re Hoosiers ashamed to use their own name?

 

[Electric Chicken]

off topic fact. Texas Roadhouse was founded in Indiana. We’re Hoosiers ashamed to use their own name?

I know and always thought that was funny.

And uh were*

 

[Mike]

And uh were*

I know, but it was my only chance to release that very important point.

 

[Electric Chicken]

I know, but it was my only chance to release that very important point.

Can't stop the release.

 

[Fast Freddy]

off topic fact. Texas Roadhouse was founded in Indiana. We’re Hoosiers ashamed to use their own name?

Yep. And it’s illegal to play Texas Hold em in Texas.

 

[Electric Chicken]

Yep. And it’s illegal to play Texas Hold em in Texas.

Can you play Indiana Hold 'Em?