Uncle Birchy
Well-Known Member
We don't work for carriers.
Doesn't matter SAME THING...Honest Work for "Honest" Pay ....
Now @ironpony I hope we all the "SAME" on THAT
We don't work for carriers.
That may be, but the kind of miles involved doesn't enter into it. Some kind of route/direction software generates a number. That's mostly so we can gauge whether the appointments can be met. Payment is in terms of a lump sum. Pennies per mile isn't part of my calculation, except as a way of filtering out cheap freight.Doesn't matter SAME THING...Honest Work for "Honest" Pay ....
Now @ironpony I hope we all the "SAME" on THAT
Welp before GPS actually the "Infancy" of Commercial GOS which only were for CARS..That may be, but the kind of miles involved doesn't enter into it. Some kind of route/direction software generates a number. That's mostly so we can gauge whether the appointments can be met. Payment is in terms of a lump sum. Pennies per mile isn't part of my calculation, except as a way of filtering out cheap freight.
The issue with miles in the broker/independent contractor/owner operator area is an inexperienced broker misquoting a load... like confusing a destination near Green Bay for one in Milwaukee, and entering the wrong number into the distance travelled slit on a load board.
This is spot market freight. "Practical/Air/Short miles" only exist in the fairy tale world of company driver jobs to keep the pennies stacked up without anyone getting jealous of their neighbor's pile.
The point is @Uncle Birchy that drivers who deal with freight brokers aren't company drivers. We also generally don't get paid by the mile.
The entire deal with "Practical/Air/Short miles" is just a way of convincing company drivers that one carriers version of the same thing is better than another carriers.
Dealing with a freight broker means I'm negotiating for the entire price of a load, including how accessorial payments are handled. Yes, rate per mile is a consideration, but so is revenue per day and that's actually more important to me. I pay my bills in dollars, not pennies per mile. I know exactly the level of revenue per week I need to net... rate per mile is interesting, and it's more an indication of how I'm doing than anything else.
I am greatly reassured now because someone knows everything about trucking. Also, thanks for your kind words concerning your hate for myself. I can now rest assured that my work here has not been in vein. You have a nice day.Dude what are you even talking about, moist brokers won't even book a load unless they speak with the driver. You're delusional! Especially now with ELDs. Brokers aren't going to risk losing a customer because of a POS driver that has no hours, takes a load and ****s it up.
So you need to wake up! Cause you have no clue how the business works. You just think you do, and just cause you own your truck means nothing.
95% of OOs don't know how factoring works, safety scores, payment terms, late fees, claims, even PO delivery dates for certain commodity or consignees. That's why I hate OOs cause they really don't know much!!
Yeah that's what you hope for. Its not 1995 anymore. Carriers have no upper hand anymore. Especially ELD times. Before that ok. Cause many brokers will pay carriers when they know a driver can do 1000 miles in day. This is over. There is to many common carriers that will take loads to cover their drivers and not worry about rates, instead volume. So wake up fellas cause driver are losing this battle.There are two points that have come up of late, both that deal with the relationship of company drivers to freight brokers.
First, while a company driver may be dealing with a load proferred by a brokerage, unless they're dealing with a very small outfit, they're not talking with a broker. Especially if there's 17001 calls involved. That's someone in the operations department paid to be on the phone harrassing slackers. Freight brokers are paid to acquire freight contracts, and and place them with carriers. That involves negotiating rates and contracts. Not harassing drivers about their current location.
Second, the notion of "Practical/Air/Short miles." That's an issue of how company drivers are paid by their employer, the motor carrier. If you're dealing with a freight broker, one of the first questions a broker has is, "What's your MC number?" If you don't have one or aren't authorized by a motor carrier to act as their agent, the conversation ends. The issue of miles in this context is related only to trip length. Payment is discussed in terms of lump sum dollars. Trip length is quoted so that the trip can be analyzed in terms of HOS regulations, and whether the shipper's expectations for delivery can be met.
Rate per mile, miles and how they're calculated are supremely important to company drivers. Everyone gets that. Once one steps out of employment and into trucking as a business, all of that becomes of minor importance because spot market freight isn't paid by the mile. Sure, you can calculate it: a 800 mile load that pays $1850 is $2.31 per mile plus change, GROSS. You don't put that in your pocket. Haggling for $2.32 per mile gives away something to the broker... you're still thinking like an employee. That gets you $6.00, and he'll give you that in a second. You're much better off asking for $1999 (don't bust the even number,) keep him talking, and you'll probably get him up to to $1950 or so. About $2.44 per mile if you're interested. We deal in dollars and miles equated to trip driving shifts and rest breaks.
Yeah I would say I pretty much know everything about trucking! Because I learned every aspect of it, from driving, loading, consolidating, equi repair, booking, Brokering, scheduling, TL/LTL, rail, HOS! So if you have any questions ill be more then happy.I am greatly reassured now because someone knows everything about trucking. Also, thanks for your kind words concerning your hate for myself. I can now rest assured that my work here has not been in vein. You have a nice day.
While I don't necessarily agree with anything you're saying, I think it's great that you've picked an argument with our resident troll.Dude what are you even talking about, most brokers won't even book a load unless they speak with the driver. You're delusional! Especially now with ELDs. Brokers aren't going to risk losing a customer because of a POS driver that has no hours, takes a load and ****s it up.
So you need to wake up! Cause you have no clue how the business works. You just think you do, and just cause you own your truck means nothing.
95% of OOs don't know how factoring works, safety scores, payment terms, late fees, claims, even PO delivery dates for certain commodity or consignees. That's why I hate OOs cause they really don't know much!!
They get pissed if I pick a fight with a retard.While I don't necessarily agree with anything you're saying, I think it's great that you've picked an argument with our resident troll.
That's because you're YOU.They get pissed if I pick a fight with a retard.
Well that's too bad. Id love to hear what your disagreeing with! It seems like the resident Troll is clueless, yet he's trolling because it doesn't seem like anyone else has any experience, just alot of opinions based on a certain perceptive of the business. But id love to discuss further about what you feel im wrong about, and maybe I am but im not really sharing opinions, im telling you how it is. And don't get me wrong I love to learn as much as I can that's why im very open to a discussion.While I don't necessarily agree with anything you're saying, I think it's great that you've picked an argument with our resident troll.
Yeah I would say I pretty much know everything about trucking! Because I learned every aspect of it, from driving, loading, consolidating, equi repair, booking, Brokering, scheduling, TL/LTL, rail, HOS! So if you have any questions ill be more then happy.
Just because you can't handle the truth please don't assume to much. Cause im very well versed in this industry!!
Yes please oh munificent bearer of The Truth, provide your wisdom to the unwashed.Well that's too bad. Id love to hear what your disagreeing with! It seems like the resident Troll is clueless, yet he's trolling because it doesn't seem like anyone else has any experience, just alot of opinions based on a certain perceptive of the business. But id love to discuss further about what you feel im wrong about, and maybe I am but im not really sharing opinions, im telling you how it is. And don't get me wrong I love to learn as much as I can that's why im very open to a discussion.
Yes please oh munificent bearer of The Truth, provide your wisdom to the unwashed.
It doesn’t matter what they are paying on. You offer a all in rate on the spot market. You both agree to the rate. If they figure short miles and you figure nautical miles it doesn’t matter. They are paying the same rate. Beside per mile is not the best way to figure a load quote anyhow.Always ask if they pay
Practical/Air/Short miles
It doesn’t matter what they are paying on. You offer a all in rate on the spot market. You both agree to the rate. If they figure short miles and you figure nautical miles it doesn’t matter. They are paying the same rate. Beside per mile is not the best way to figure a load quote anyhow.
"Most brokers won't book a load until they speak with the driver". In my experience as a company driver, the load is already booked when I call for pickup numbers. They do sometimes insist on me calling them for that info rather than give it to the carrier though. So you're not totally wrong there. But if it's CH Robinson I stubbornly refuse to call them and somehow the information I need magically shows up on the Qualcomm anyway.Well that's too bad. Id love to hear what your disagreeing with! It seems like the resident Troll is clueless, yet he's trolling because it doesn't seem like anyone else has any experience, just alot of opinions based on a certain perceptive of the business. But id love to discuss further about what you feel im wrong about, and maybe I am but im not really sharing opinions, im telling you how it is. And don't get me wrong I love to learn as much as I can that's why im very open to a discussion.