Can FMCSA-banned trucker return to Ontario roads?
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Tazz
Infidel
If they are going to claim Canadian Drivers are subject to the same rules we are they should bench him just like any American driver would have been for violations of that sort. They will not because they are not subject to the same laws. So the solution is simple. No more Canadian trucks on this side of the line. Problem solved.
I don't GAF what Canada does on their side of the border. He's their problem and as long as he stays there, we're golden. It's not our business to tell another sovereign nation how to deal with its citizens.
This guy committed driving crimes in the US, not Canada. Canada does not have the authority to enforce US laws. Now.. If he does stupid shit like this in Canada, I'm sure they have a mechanism in place to handle it. He's off US highways. That's good enough for me.
I don't think it's a reflection on the thousands of Canadian drivers who operate on US roadways and follow the requirements of the nation they are visitors in.
Tazz
Infidel
As it stands he can violate US law and skate back across the border and face no suspension. The promise of these cross border things is they have to toe the same line we do. Not if he can skip back into Canada and have his sentence lightened. If they do not face the same penalties we do they should not be here. It is called reciprocity, and if it is not going to be honored we should stop acting like they are on the same footing as us.
The same applies to US drivers who can't behave themselves in Canada. Nothing happens to them here because we don't have the authority to enforce Canadian law. However, Canada has the right to ban them from their country. If you had a DUI 25 years ago, you are barred from Canada. It's a felony there. They don't want it on their roads, period. However, they aren't telling us we have to charge every DUI as a felony (although I think it's a good idea). They simply choose who may and who may not enter their country, as is their right.
As for Mr. Singh, all we can do is bar him from crossing back into the US or, if he does come back, arrest him and deal with him in our own justice system. Canada does not have the authority to enforce US laws. They are a separate country.
Should we be beating the shit out of women who return from visiting Saudi Arabia because they wore a dress that showed a little too much ankle while they were there and the Arabians are demanding justice? After all, we have people on their soil and they have people on ours.. Shouldn't all of the laws of both sovereign nations be observed regardless of what ground you're standing on? We've got American servicewomen in Afghanistan. Shouldn't they be required to wear a burqa when they're home on leave because in Afghanistan they can be killed for it if they don't?
There are good reasons we don't enforce the laws of other nations and they don't enforce ours. Canada is not another state represented by one of the stars on our flag. They are a sovereign nation with their own Constitution and their own justice system. It's not up to us to demand they go against their own Constitution because some laws in the US were broken. Not even laws, really, but rather, rules.
They do not have the authority, under their own legal system, to deal with this driver the way we deal with our own. If he's not on our roads, he's not our problem. Once he's here again, though, he'll probably end up in US jail. Then we can deal with him under our laws.
Tazz
Infidel
My point is about keeping things equal in these fair trade deals that are sucking the life out of this country. If I face a suspension for operating after an OOS so should any Canadian or Mexican operating on US roads. That simple in my mind. If they are allowed to break our laws and run back across the border to negate them I vote we shut down the border.
We are subject to the UCMJ and negotiated enforcement in those countries. You know that as well. However we are not talking about military or government personnel. And we are not discussing this drivers conduct in his home territory like your burqa example. He violated US law on US soil and then snuck back across the border when he should have been arrested.
We routinely allow people to be jailed, incarcerated, caned, whipped for violating local laws. If your there and you break a law it is on you. If Canadians want their CDL-a's (or whatever term they use) honored here they better damn well enforce our regulations on those that choose to travel here and break our laws. If they are not willing to I vote we de-certify reciprocity with Canada and begin cross docking at noon tomorrow. Their license is invalid tomorrow at midnight.
That would be my solution
We are subject to the UCMJ and negotiated enforcement in those countries. You know that as well. However we are not talking about military or government personnel. And we are not discussing this drivers conduct in his home territory like your burqa example. He violated US law on US soil and then snuck back across the border when he should have been arrested.
We routinely allow people to be jailed, incarcerated, caned, whipped for violating local laws. If your there and you break a law it is on you. If Canadians want their CDL-a's (or whatever term they use) honored here they better damn well enforce our regulations on those that choose to travel here and break our laws. If they are not willing to I vote we de-certify reciprocity with Canada and begin cross docking at noon tomorrow. Their license is invalid tomorrow at midnight.
That would be my solution
Rodger
Well-Known Member
Hey.....don't goMy point is about keeping things equal in these fair trade deals that are sucking the life out of this country. If I face a suspension for operating after an OOS so should any Canadian or Mexican operating on US roads. That simple in my mind. If they are allowed to break our laws and run back across the border to negate them I vote we shut down the border.
We are subject to the UCMJ and negotiated enforcement in those countries. You know that as well. However we are not talking about military or government personnel. And we are not discussing this drivers conduct in his home territory like your burqa example. He violated US law on US soil and then snuck back across the border when he should have been arrested.
We routinely allow people to be jailed, incarcerated, caned, whipped for violating local laws. If your there and you break a law it is on you. If Canadians want their CDL-a's (or whatever term they use) honored here they better damn well enforce our regulations on those that choose to travel here and break our laws. If they are not willing to I vote we de-certify reciprocity with Canada and begin cross docking at noon tomorrow. Their license is invalid tomorrow at midnight.
That would be my solution
'n all over my Canadian hauling now!
Actually, the loony is in such bad shape I haven't hauled much up there this year.
So ya go ahead and close the border.
Canada does extradite people wanted for serious crimes. When he crossed back into Canada, I'm thinking the Canadians hadn't gotten notification he was in violation. However, if you're adamant about this, I'm sure we could spend tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars to have the guy extradited and then fined a few hundred dollars for a civil rule violation and then tell him his license is no longer valid in the US, now go home to Canada and don't drive a truck here anymore.
That would be a good use of my tax money.
Legally, MTO is not allowed to go after this guy for civil violations in the US. However, if you did read the article, you'd see he's going to be under their microscope. According to their Constitution and laws, that's all they're allowed to do.
That would be a good use of my tax money.
Legally, MTO is not allowed to go after this guy for civil violations in the US. However, if you did read the article, you'd see he's going to be under their microscope. According to their Constitution and laws, that's all they're allowed to do.
Tazz
Infidel
How does it cost any money to suspend the guys license? It is simple either they uphold our laws or they stay on their side of the line. And yes I am prepared for it to go both ways. If you violate a Canadian Law they should absolutely enforce the policy on you in this country as it pertains to operation of a CMV.
His license, I'm sure, is no longer valid in the US. We do not have the right to demand Canada enforce our laws in a manner that is contrary to their own Constitution. Period.
They are a sovereign nation.
Similarly, Mexico does not have the right to demand we take everybody's guns away because it's private ownership is not legal in Mexico. Been a few times people have gotten lost at the border crossing, just wanted to turn around, but got nailed for a firearm they legally possessed in the US, but because they set one foot in Mexico, they pay the price. Their release was negotiated and they were returned to the US. Now. Does Mexico then have the right to demand the US continue to jail the individual for decades, even though he did nothing wrong according to US law? Should that dummy's rights be stripped from him because he made a wrong turn and couldn't turn around without going onto Mexican soil?
Granted, this driver was willful in his disobedience to US rules...NOT laws ...and the lost idiot made a mistake. However, the two scenarios are similar.
You are demanding a foreign country enforce rules in the same manner we do, despite their laws prohibiting it. If it's okay for us to make these demands, then it will be okay for other nations to make similar demands of us.
The man's license is not valid in the USA. What he does in Canada from here on out is none of our business.
ayran993
Well-Known Member
Agreed!My point is about keeping things equal in these fair trade deals that are sucking the life out of this country. If I face a suspension for operating after an OOS so should any Canadian or Mexican operating on US roads. That simple in my mind. If they are allowed to break our laws and run back across the border to negate them I vote we shut down the border.
We are subject to the UCMJ and negotiated enforcement in those countries. You know that as well. However we are not talking about military or government personnel. And we are not discussing this drivers conduct in his home territory like your burqa example. He violated US law on US soil and then snuck back across the border when he should have been arrested.
We routinely allow people to be jailed, incarcerated, caned, whipped for violating local laws. If your there and you break a law it is on you. If Canadians want their CDL-a's (or whatever term they use) honored here they better damn well enforce our regulations on those that choose to travel here and break our laws. If they are not willing to I vote we de-certify reciprocity with Canada and begin cross docking at noon tomorrow. Their license is invalid tomorrow at midnight.
That would be my solution
Duck
Sarcastic remark goes here
Tazz
Infidel
Hey @rigjockey what are the penalties for breaking an OOS order in Canuckistan?
Duck
Sarcastic remark goes here
No beer for a month.
Tazz
Infidel
I can find the regs about placing them out of service but not the penalties for violating it. I am guessing they are very similar to ours. So not
nor any made up comparison to transporting weapons across the border which by the way is a felony in this country as well so yeah idiot does lose his weapons. But I'll wait and see maybe the hippy dippies in Canada just consider that a goof.
nor any made up comparison to transporting weapons across the border which by the way is a felony in this country as well so yeah idiot does lose his weapons. But I'll wait and see maybe the hippy dippies in Canada just consider that a goof.
Rodger
Well-Known Member
Canadians ask if you are carrying any kind of weapons when you cross with your semeeeee. The last time they ran me through immigration they were very concerned that I owned firearms.
With a car its easy to cross with a non automatic long gun as long as you are going hunting up there. Just declare it when you arrive.
Tazz
Infidel
Yeah I was referring to Injuns premise that crossing into Mexico with a weapon is similar to this guy flagrantly violating US regulations.
Truthfully I have no plans to enter Canada, nothing against them, I am sure they are nice people in general. But I am a staunch believer that they stay on their side of the line and I'll stay on mine.
Now as I read our regulations this driver should be on the hook for $16,000 in fines and facing a minimum 7 year suspension of his license, and his company should be fined 100K and face a compliance audit to continue operations south of the border. That is what any American company would face for these violations, if Canadians do not operate under them I am sticking with an end to reciprocity for licenses and operating authority starting tomorrow.
...so, since Ontario requires speed limiters, does that mean all trucks in the US should have speed limiters and if they don't, we have to pay Ontario's fine? California has all but outlawed trucks older than ten years and trucks without 2007 or newer emissions. Does that mean Arkansas should be giving Mike a CARB fine for California?
No? I thought you said we should all be playing under the same ruless!
No? I thought you said we should all be playing under the same ruless!
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