the_original_beantown
The other Shane
Are they really that bad? Or is it a matter of no where to get them repaired? Which I don't understand as there seems to be a Pete store in every dang town across the USA.
Mike I can see the dealership issues for repairs. If a PACCARs that hard to get fixed, what the heck do ya do with a Mercedes engine.
@pushbroom can certainly tell us all more about it but as I understand it, Paccar purchased Daf, primarily for their engine manufacturing experience when all the brands began offering proprietary engines. Many of the first Paccar engines had problems (as did all manufacturers trying figure out how to deal with emission requirements). People tend to remember the bad, especially in something new, and the stigma can take awhile to get past.Are they really that bad? Or is it a matter of no where to get them repaired? Which I don't understand as there seems to be a Pete store in every dang town across the USA.
That's why I'm asking. I drive by truck alley in Charlotte darn near daily (RTE 85). The Pete dealership is slam full of trucks. And the PACCAR Petes seem cheap compared to a Detroit powered Pete. I was just wondering if it's a reliability issue or service issue, or both.Have you ever seen the line for repairs at a Petercar dealer?
Are they really that bad?
It's obviously not the problem of any one manufacturer... big trucks are complex, and the beating that 80,000 lbs or more puts on a vehicle on our poorly maintained highways is going to take a toll. Also, the availability of services plays into it - only one dealer repair shop in a region is going to stack them up.
However, PACCAR does have a contractual agreement that forces an owner to use dealer shops until the engine is out of warranty. Cummins, for example, will not touch one of those engines while under warranty.
Well, that was my understanding from the people buying that crap at a large carrier that I was at. There was a clause on the sales contract to the purchasing organization that they mentioned.Huh?
Cummins wont touch a Paccar for the same reason they wont work on a Detroit. Its a completely different motor. Aint no contract agreement, warranty or no warranty.
@Oxbow
Its more the truck manufacturers and the customers pushing for downspeeding for better fuel economy. The engine manufacturers just try to make it happen. We spec Mx13s with 391 rears and 18s for super bs. I don't think our dealer has actually sold one of these crazy geared trucks for downspeeding yet.
There is not many independent shops that have knowledge about Paccars and sadly some dealers are lacking in that respect as well. Paccars are also not as mechanic friendly as other motors.
Paccar engines are cheaper then Cummins, so lots of fleets tend to buy them. This leads to tons of used trucks with Paccars that are specced super cheap therefor low resale.
If you had a mechanic that was familiar with the engines and had the diagnostic software, or if you got along great with your local Pete dealer that had good techs it would be a fine engine to have.
Well, that was my understanding from the people buying that crap at a large carrier that I was at. There was a clause on the sales contract to the purchasing organization that they mentioned.
I asked the Cummins outfit in Springfield MO about it, and their response was they'd be happy to work on a PACCAR after it was out from under warranty.Cummins will never work on a Paccar ever because its not their engine.
I asked the Cummins outfit in Springfield MO about it, and their response was they'd be happy to work on a PACCAR after it was out from under warranty.
I'm just relating the conversation I had with them at the time - this was some years ago now. I didn't ask the what program they'd use, or anything about parts. I just asked about the possibility of work being performed, and that was their answer. Not if it was under warranty. It was early enough after release of the motor that they may not have considered what the implications of that might be.Lol. Using what diagnostic program? With all the parts they dont stock? With all the techs that arent trained on it?
They cant do warranty cause they aint warranty certified. There isnt any contract.
I'm just relating the conversation I had with them at the time - this was some years ago now. I didn't ask the what program they'd use, or anything about parts. I just asked about the possibility of work being performed, and that was their answer. Not if it was under warranty. It was early enough after release of the motor that they may not have considered what the implications of that might be.
Got it?
Does Cummins still design and build the after treatment for paccar? International said they also build it for the A26.It may have been a conversation that was misunderstood on both sides.
Aint no cummins shop doin **** with a Paccar.