Stroke deaths rising per the CDC

DrDaliah

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Sorry I haven't been around as much. National Blood Donation Week just ended and organizing it was pretty tough and time consuming. Hope any of you based in Texas and Florida are safe with all the hurricane happenings.

I don't have better news but the CDC is warning that the progress we've made over the last few decades is taking a turn when it comes to strokes, as Hispanics and those living in the South fair worse.

Heres's the scoop.... and think about getting your flu shot as flu ups our risk as well.

Stroke Deaths Increasing, Warns CDC
 

Getfit Tommy

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So many people buy into that flu shot business. My ex is an RN and she refused to get it... they force her to wear a mask. I never got one in my life, never will.

Inoculation was conceived in the Golden Era along with the Caste system, the 24 hour clock and the calendar, but this is one that I don't buy into.

Aryans... Egyptians....

Semantics... and highly intelligent folks.

The worst part of this whole stroke thing is that it is more popular among the younger generation, but it's kind of obvious as to why... technology... which is equivalent to less exercise, more eating, high BP, high Cholesterol, Diabetes, Hypoglycemia....and of course: Dope.... lots to go around. Polypharma and fast food, great combo. (and a pack of smokes)
 

GAnthony

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So many people buy into that flu shot business. My ex is an RN and she refused to get it... they force her to wear a mask. I never got one in my life, never will.

Inoculation was conceived in the Golden Era along with the Caste system, the 24 hour clock and the calendar, but this is one that I don't buy into.
BS...i have a close friend that is now into his 90's. he always claimed "he never got sick, never will", not even a cold, he used to wipe/swab his nose with home remedies to thwart off colds.

he still got them, but claimed it was not a cold, only "the sniffles"...dammit, that's a cold....

well he has since had a real bad case of the shingles, and a terrible episode of the flu, and then pneumonia....(meaning he did not believe in shots as well, guess what, he gets them now)

there will be a time in your life, your resistance will be lower as you age. all the freaking health foods and exercising will not be your savior.

good luck with that way of thinking.

i have gotten flu shots, every year, i do not miss a year. i have had pneumonia shots, as per the age requirements , and i have had the shingles shot as well.

not saying i ain't never gonna get any of those health concerns, but to this day, never had the flu, never had pneumonia.....and so far, no shingles as well.

but if i ever do get sick, and with the vaccines in me, the severity will be much lesser than doing nothing at all.
 

(((ME)))

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I not been sick in many years now...really lost count of the years. Given my age, height, weight. last time I seen a doctor was told not a darn thing wrong with me. When it come to the flu shot I just tell staff pass it forward don't want it. I take no meds of any type either including vitamins. I eat very well, sleep well (wake up wanting to be playful or in happy mood) and exercise. It just a part of my lifestyle.
 

Getfit Tommy

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@GAnthony ~

You misunderstood my post. The CDC numbers and all the rest of the consensus shows the high risk group to be between the ages of 30 and 50

Has nothing to do with the "Old man who drank and smoked his whole life" story that we've all heard a million times. Hell, if you like those stories, I can tell you even more about people in top physical shape (to all outward appearances) dropping dead for no reason.... but that's not what this article is about.


As far as the flu shot is concerned.. and "declining health" as we age, I highly doubt that you've done more research on this than I.

There is a **** load of research showing the flu shot to be of more risk than not injecting a virus into your system. Do you even know much about flu shots, what they do and how it is that your immune system deals with them?

You guys crack me up "that way of thinking" ... as you hold the steering-wheel a little longer. I trust the research, and I will tell you that for every doctor that endorses the shot, there are ten that do not.

Keep on Trucking G....

I know you like to argue, so... don't plan on this one going for very long.
 

GAnthony

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@GAnthony ~

You misunderstood my post. The CDC numbers and all the rest of the consensus shows the high risk group to be between the ages of 30 and 50

Has nothing to do with the "Old man who drank and smoked his whole life" story that we've all heard a million times. Hell, if you like those stories, I can tell you even more about people in top physical shape (to all outward appearances) dropping dead for no reason.... but that's not what this article is about.


As far as the flu shot is concerned.. and "declining health" as we age, I highly doubt that you've done more research on this than I.

There is a **** load of research showing the flu shot to be of more risk than not injecting a virus into your system. Do you even know much about flu shots, what they do and how it is that your immune system deals with them?

You guys crack me up "that way of thinking" ... as you hold the steering-wheel a little longer. I trust the research, and I will tell you that for every doctor that endorses the shot, there are ten that do not.

Keep on Trucking G....

I know you like to argue, so... don't plan on this one going for very long.
it is recommended still by the Health and Human Services..

Adults (age 19 and older) | Vaccines.gov


all age groups are listed
 

Getfit Tommy

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What if you're on Statins? Lotsa folks here are on Cholesterol meds...(for one)

"...commonly used cholesterol-lowering drugs — may actually interfere with your immune system’s response to influenza vaccine."

This next quote just makes logical sense:

"...recent studies have suggested that getting a yearly shot may actually diminish the benefit of successive vaccinations."

"In late June an expert committee that advises the US government on vaccination policy recommended that the nasal spray vaccine FluMist, which has been used by millions, not be used this season.


It’s not clear why. Adding to the confusion, a study by the vaccine’s manufacturer, MedImmune, suggested the mist was effective. (MedImmune is a division of AstraZeneca.)[of course they would!]

The best defense against the flu, or any other infection or illness, is having a healthy immune system. Being healthy not only significantly reduces your risk of getting the flu, but, if you do get sick it can reduce the severity. A healthy immune system can even save your life. Being healthy means you eat very well (all the time), exercise properly (not too much or too little), properly control stress (the physical, chemical and mental ones) and other factors.

I not been sick in many years now...really lost count of the years. Given my age, height, weight. last time I seen a doctor was told not a darn thing wrong with me. When it come to the flu shot I just tell staff pass it forward don't want it. I take no meds of any type either including vitamins. I eat very well, sleep well (wake up wanting to be playful or in happy mood) and exercise. It just a part of my lifestyle.

And YOU my friend, are SPOT-ON!

I would imagine you didn't need to read a book or research a study to find what is clearly just simple logic.
 

Getfit Tommy

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I would be asking questions like: "How do I strengthen my immune system?" instead of letting the government jam a needle of who-knows-what into your body.
 

Injun

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You fellas are off topic.

@DrDaliah is there any separation of statistics between thrombolitic and hemorrhagic stroke regarding frequency of occurrence? Has one or the other become more common by population? Or is it raw numbers?
 

DrDaliah

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You fellas are off topic.

@DrDaliah is there any separation of statistics between thrombolitic and hemorrhagic stroke regarding frequency of occurrence? Has one or the other become more common by population? Or is it raw numbers?
Yep thrombotic is much more common (80-85%) than hemorrhagic.
 

Getfit Tommy

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Research..... is always good.

Thrombotic strokes. These are caused by a blood clot that develops in the blood vessels inside the brain. Embolic strokes. These are caused by a blood clot or plaque debris that develops elsewhere in the body and then travels to 1 of the blood vessels in the brain via the bloodstream.


I guess I got stuck here:


"Although high blood pressure is one of the most significant risk factors for stroke, other causes cited by the CDC included obesity, diabetes and the flu."


But hey, being off-topic is one of my finer assets.
 

DrDaliah

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Yep high blood pressure, obesity, diabetes has been related to ischemic stroke caused by thrombotic and embolic. Diabetes for example accelerates placquing along the carotid arteries that can break off and cause stroke. High blood pressure can also cause hemorrhagic stroke due to the pressure and a vessel being weak.
 

Getfit Tommy

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What's ironic is that I know a lot of people with High BP and they think nothing of it. High BP is often called the "Silent Killer" but there doesn't seem to be any urgency with people to get it in check, let alone learn the difference between Diastolic and Systolic...

At the same time, if you go to the doctor, often times if they test you and you come up high, they have you chill for a while and call it good.

I know that Lisinopril has some pretty scary components in it, but you would think that more emphasis would be put on people to get their BP DOWN!

I've often thought (speaking of plaque) that people who take tons of Calcium who actually have no need for it, are doing themselves a disservice. If you're body doesn't need Calcium, it isn't going to absorb it, so if the Calcium is floating around in the blood stream, and you have a fair amount of arterial plaque buildup, wouldn't you be increasing risk of decreasing blood flow by the excess Calcium that would stick to the already sticky plaque?

I think sometimes what people consider to be "preventative" can actually become the opposite. I'm curious on your take. If arterial plaque is already clogging the arteries, what kinds of things would exacerbate arterial plaque?

I would think that constricting the vessels and then expanding the vessels through smoking and drinking could cause chunks of plaque to break away and cause an embolism.... or that excess Calcium could easily be considered "icing on the cake" when it helps clog the arteries even farther.


Of course everyone "hears" about HDL and LDL clogging arteries, but what about other things that people haven't considered... or consider to be "safe?"
 

Injun

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Has there been any significant rise in one type over the other? .....has the ratio changed any over the past, say, 50 years?
 

DrDaliah

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What's ironic is that I know a lot of people with High BP and they think nothing of it. High BP is often called the "Silent Killer" but there doesn't seem to be any urgency with people to get it in check, let alone learn the difference between Diastolic and Systolic...

At the same time, if you go to the doctor, often times if they test you and you come up high, they have you chill for a while and call it good.

I know that Lisinopril has some pretty scary components in it, but you would think that more emphasis would be put on people to get their BP DOWN!

I've often thought (speaking of plaque) that people who take tons of Calcium who actually have no need for it, are doing themselves a disservice. If you're body doesn't need Calcium, it isn't going to absorb it, so if the Calcium is floating around in the blood stream, and you have a fair amount of arterial plaque buildup, wouldn't you be increasing risk of decreasing blood flow by the excess Calcium that would stick to the already sticky plaque?

I think sometimes what people consider to be "preventative" can actually become the opposite. I'm curious on your take. If arterial plaque is already clogging the arteries, what kinds of things would exacerbate arterial plaque?

I would think that constricting the vessels and then expanding the vessels through smoking and drinking could cause chunks of plaque to break away and cause an embolism.... or that excess Calcium could easily be considered "icing on the cake" when it helps clog the arteries even farther.


Of course everyone "hears" about HDL and LDL clogging arteries, but what about other things that people haven't considered... or consider to be "safe?"
You're right. years ago they discussed how women who took calcium supplements had higher risk of coronary artery calcification. calicum in food is tolerated better than chalky tablets. I would rather people get their calcium in as naturally as possible.
 

Getfit Tommy

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If a woman has Osteoporosis, weight-bearing exercise is going to help her more than Calcium chalk, but at least some of the Calcium will be absorbed... and even then, not by itself. Calcium needs help... and "weight-bearing" doesn't have to mean lifting weights. It could just mean... lifting yourself up off the couch

My concern is this whole "preventative" Vitamin spectrum. That goes for ALL vitamins and minerals, not just Calcium.

But my main question was about the exacerbation of arterial closure due to excess Calcium "sticking" to the plaque and causing further damage.

A topic on excess vitamins would probably surprise a lot of people... excess minerals ...even moreso

What our bodies actually absorb is so miniscule that we rarely find vitamin deficiencies here in the US of A.... even in the worst case scenarios

Right now, it seems Vitamin D is the trendy culprit.. especially for men

For me? I'd rather take a shot of Testosterone and call it good... and exercise and eat actual food.... which is very difficult to find these days, unless you know how to read labels and see through the advertising garbage

"Health" in our society is becoming somewhat of a rarity among a majority of supposed "healthy" individuals (IMHO)
 

Injun

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I have high cholesterol. I have always had high cholesterol. The levels have not changed over my entire life, from my early 20s until now at 49 yrs old. My blood pressure runs low. I'm intolerant of statins and refuse to take them...for a few reasons, not the least of which that when I took them, I got muscle pain and could hardly move. My understanding is it's better overall to move your body regardless of cholesterol level. If a medication prevents you from doing that, reconsider the medication. And Statins are hard on the liver.

I have always had "high" cholesterol and it seems to be my body's normal stasis. It has been found that dietary cholesterol doesn't affect overall cholesterol levels in any significant way, especially in people whose bodies maintain a certain ("high") level. I do not have high blood pressure. Without high blood pressure, my vessels are not being stretched and torn, which is how scarring begins...scarring that cholesterol chunks and bloods clots stick to. I'm not concerned with my cholesterol levels. When I develop high blood pressure, maybe it will get more attention.

High blood pressure is the real killer. It makes me crazy that someone I care about refuses to do anything about their high blood pressure because they have observed other friends go on blood pressure pills, miss a few doses and die from heart attacks. And this person doesn't want to become addicted to a pill. FFS.

Anyway, I'm curious whether the incidence of hemorrhagic strokes has increased because I had heard it's only anout 10% of strokes, historically, but in the last five years, I've had five family members and friends get hit with stroke. Two of them were hemorrhagic. It appears to have become more frequent, but that might just be an anomally of my little world.
 

Getfit Tommy

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@Injun
I know lots of folks that are intolerant of Statins. The doc usually say's "well then, take them at night".. if you are intolerant and cannot function properly, what sucks even more is that there really are no alternatives.

And you are correct: Dietary Cholesterol will do nothing to affect TBSL (Total Blood Serum Levels) of Cholesterol. I elaborated on this in another post here somewhere. But here's the kicker, the doctor will tell you "eat better, eat more dark green leafy veggies"... well, even if you DID manage to LOWER TBSL of Cholesterol by reducing dietary cholesterol, since you mentioned "stasis" or "homeostasis" obviously you've done your homework. Your body will just produce more cholesterol to reach that point of stasis, so what's the point, right?

I hope you never develop High BP... if you think you are intolerant of Statins.... well, let's just say Lisinopril is pretty nasty also. It won't make you immobile but one of the MAJOR side effects is a nasty, hacking cough... one that can get so bad that over time (God forbid one smokes) you will end up tearing something... it could be anything. Coughing comes from deep within... the Diaphragm.. and it is a very, very powerful muscle. It is the strongest of all the "abdominals" and it contracts through the forced expiration of air.


Lisinopril also has derivatives (now synthetic) of Snake Venom in it. No B.S. (I know you will look it up)

Lisinopril is a medication used to treat high blood pressure and congestive heart failure. It is also used to improve survival rate after a heart attack. It is an angiotensin-converting-enzyme inhibitor, or ACE inhibitor. ... According to Lisinopril.com, it was developed from the poisonous venom of a Brazilian snake.

I don't even want to get into ACE inhibitors. They contraindicate nearly everything under the sun.

BTW, I too am curious about the stroke incidence rates.. and the age group it appears to be affecting. My long-time friend (same age as I) came off of one of his bicycle marathons a few weeks back, stopped at the store to grab an extra water, had a stroke, dropped, hit his head, and then had a heart attack and died on the spot.

It was a blow to our tightly knit group of friends. He had no family as his wife passed years ago due to an un-detected cancer. By the time she felt the symptoms and went to the doc, it had already traveled to her Kidneys. She only lived a few short weeks after detection.

This "stroke" thing has got me curious also. The problem is, when researching there are so many "we don't know yet's" and "we are researching the possible reasons" and "it appears to be" .. in other words, I don't know if we are going to get anything definitive.....anytime soon?
 
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