Pneumatic Tanks loading/unloading


FlatBroke

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Since, myself and 2xr are the only two tanker yankers on the forum that I know of I will cover the basics of the pneumatic tank and 2xr can do the liquid if he wants too.

Keep in mind...I have not pulled a Food grade/Plastic pneumatic tanker so maybe these tips apply and maybe not.

Pneumatic tanks - loads/unloads with the use of a blower either on your trailer or mounted on the truck, and is PTO driven for the truck. If mounted on the trailer it will have it's own power station usually another diesel engine.

Ok, we start off with some pictures of the different pneumatic tanks available.

The type I pull is a cement tank it weighs less so you can haul more product.


It loads usually from the top. They can however be setup to load from the back end through the product discharge pipe. When loading from the top, you are instructed to pull under a chute. Open your dome lid/s from the safety rack or use the side ladder to get on top of your tank. Make sure the chute is in the middle of your truck when going under it. The operator/loader will either tell you on the CB, or over a speaker located outside the truck, or he will sound a buzzer or flash a light when you need to stop directly under the chute.
Usually you are located on a scale when loading. We have a air gauge inside our trucks that tells us approximately when we are fully loaded. This is used when no scale is on the loading site.
When a scale is used the loader will take your light weight or empty weight including you, before he begins loading. He/she will set this weight in a computer and then ask you what/how much you want. He/she sets this weight in the computer.
My light weight full of fuel is usually 26,600 lbs I ask for 80,000 lbs this gives me my net weight of 53,400 lbs. This is what I have inside my tank when loaded. Or 26.70 Tons of product, this is how I get paid.

When loaded you will be instructed to pull out to the saftey rack to close your dome lid/s. This is a crucial part when closing your dome lid/s make sure you clean around the top of the (hole) on the edges where yhe dome lid gasket goes. If this is not cleaned it will leak. Close the dome lid, there are usually 6 latches place on the edges of the dome lid and step down on them to secure them in place. If this is missed the tank will leak.

Get your paperwork from the scale office and have a safe trip to your destination for unloading.

When you arrive at the consignee check in with them. Even if you have been there a 1000 times before. Always check in, they will instruct you to where to unload at.
Usually it is a cement plant, but we do more than plants. Just make sure you check in.

After checking in, maneuver your truck and trailer in close to the silo, try to keep the truck and trailer as straight as possible (not required) just makes it easier if you want to sit in the truck for minute to keep an eye on the pressure gauges through your mirror.

Get out and make sure of the pipe that you were instructed to hook up too. After you locate the pipe, make sure the high level light/and or alarm for the silo is not sounding off or flashing. If it is the silo is too full to hold your load.

If everything is ok, then you take out your product hose located in the hose tube of your trailer. Inspect the gaskets located on both ends of the hose, if they are worn replace them.

Hook up one end to the discharge pipe of your trailer, hook the other end to the pipe you were instructed to unload in.
Make sure the ears on both ends of the hose are in the lock position so the hose cannot come off.

Walk back towards the front of your trailer, hook the hot air tube to your blower on your truck. Make sure a gasket is in both ends of the tube. Shut off the line air valve make sure your aerator valves are open. Make sure your blow down valve is closed.

Line air valve - this is what pushes the product up the pipe you are unloading into.

Aerator Valve - this will fluff the product inside the tank and force it out the discharge valve at the bottom of each hopper.

Blow down valve - This valve is to let the air pressure off the tank really fast, this is left open when finished unloading.

Hot air tube - connects the blower to the tank. There is a reason it is called a hot air tube, it gets extremely hot from the air going through it so fast.

Ok after you get the hot air tube connected, climb back into your truck. Engage the transmission then put it back in neutral leaving your clutch depressed this will stop the transmission from spinning and allow you to place the PTO in gear without raking the gears. Let the clutch back out easy, with the truck in neutral.

You will here your blower start up. Set the RPMs up on your truck to around 900 this is not much more than an idle. You will hear the blower get faster and louder.

Get out of the truck and walk to where your tank pressure gauge and your line pressure gauge is located. Watch the tank pressure gauge to make sure it is building pressure. When this gets close to 10 or more lbs. quickly open your line pressure valve watch your gauge if it climbs and will not fall back to near 0 then the line is plugged somewhere. If it falls back to 0 then close the valve back and continue to build the pressure. When tank pressure reads 15 lbs open your line air valve slightly you will hear air flowing through the line. Then walk back to your discharge valve located on the bottom of each hopper. Open this product valve slowly, keep watch on your line air pressure gauge if the product is flowing evenly then open it wide open. Quickly make sure your discharge hose is not leaking at the trailer or pipe you are unloading into. If it is, find some water (I carry a gallon jug full of water in my truck just for this) pour over the leak, and it will seal it.

Keep an eye on both pressure gauges if they start to fall then your hopper is going empty. If the line air pressure stays constant, and your tank pressure begins climbing then your are stopped up. I am not going to cover the proper way to unplug a product line today.

When pressure has dropped for all three hoppers the the tank is empty. Shut the blower down to an idle, unhook the hot air tube..note the tube is extremely hot wear heavy gloves when handling this.

Let the blower continue to run at an idle this will cool it down and extend the life of it.

Walk towards your blow down valve and slowly open it. You must bleed the remaining pressure if any off the tank before disconnecting the product hose. When tank pressure is at 0 it is safe to unhook. Replace the pipe cover on your trailer and the pipe of the customer. Return the hose to your hose tube. Walk back up to the truck turn your blower off and replace the cap on the blower, and you are done. Have a safe trip to your next shipper.

Depending on the product and the height of the silo and how full the silo is and if you have a good trailer and blower. 26.70 ton can be unloaded in about 40 minutes.


I will add more on different things probably in different threads as I think of them. If you have any questions on loading/unloading a pneumatic tank all you have to do is ask away. I will try to answer it, if I can't I will point you in the right direction.
 

Thanks for this information. If I was to go back out OTR, I think pulling a tank is what I would want to do.

If I was planning on buying a truck again, this would clearly be the area I would go into. I have a friend that drives for Quality Carriers, and know the revenue they make on their hauls. Not to mention, I love how they do their runs. They make a trip out somewhere to deliver, then they deadhead back to the home terminal 99% of the time. He will take a trip from hear in Arkansas, out to Los Angeles sometimes even, and come back empty. No waiting around for a backhaul, and the loads pay well enough that they can easily afford to do this.
 
Thanks for this information. If I was to go back out OTR, I think pulling a tank is what I would want to do.

If I was planning on buying a truck again, this would clearly be the area I would go into. I have a friend that drives for Quality Carriers, and know the revenue they make on their hauls. Not to mention, I love how they do their runs. They make a trip out somewhere to deliver, then they deadhead back to the home terminal 99% of the time. He will take a trip from hear in Arkansas, out to Los Angeles sometimes even, and come back empty. No waiting around for a backhaul, and the loads pay well enough that they can easily afford to do this.

Uhhhhgggg....HAZMAT me no do HAZMAT after the wreck...
 
If anyone needs help on the vacuum trailer in the pictures let me know. I worked for Chemical Leaman Tank Lines for a lot of years before they closed the doors. We used those trailers to load plastic pellets out of rail cars. They look a lot more complicated than what they are.
 
If anyone needs help on the vacuum trailer in the pictures let me know. I worked for Chemical Leaman Tank Lines for a lot of years before they closed the doors. We used those trailers to load plastic pellets out of rail cars. They look a lot more complicated than what they are.

Leakin' Leaman... :biglaugh:

Dog-Gone that was a long time ago...
 
I am a pneumatic tank driver for almost 9 years. There are some places where you cannot unload at 15 psi. I know of some places you can only use 3 psi. Most places I go will not let you unload more than 8 to 10 psi. Will stop there pipe up or break it. We haul 48,000 all the time 79,000 gross.
 
I pull hopper and always run at 79-80k as well. There is also wide variation in how wide you can open the hopper depending on their equipment. Sometimes the product flows great but you can only open a half inch and wait hours for it to flow out. Kills me in time... they should start charging truck rental as a dispensing device at these places.
 
Questions about vac trailers

If anyone needs help on the vacuum trailer in the pictures let me know. I worked for Chemical Leaman Tank Lines for a lot of years before they closed the doors. We used those trailers to load plastic pellets out of rail cars. They look a lot more complicated than what they are.

I'm new to the forum and I was hoping to get some info on how to load and unload the vaccum pneumatic trails. I'm getting ready to start a new job with a local bulk carrier and most of my experience has just been with cement products. I'm pretty sure of myself on the procedures for the normal air flow discharge set ups but I'm not sure about the vacuums.
 
Another one...

Another tanker yanker here...were are growing in numbers I hope. I have 17 years experience in dry bulk tanks and if I can be of any help to anyone feel free to ask away. Nice to be a part of the community.
 
I'm new to the forum and I was hoping to get some info on how to load and unload the vaccum pneumatic trails. I'm getting ready to start a new job with a local bulk carrier and most of my experience has just been with cement products. I'm pretty sure of myself on the procedures for the normal air flow discharge set ups but I'm not sure about the vacuums.

The vac trailers have 2 hoses on the front. The one you would normally use for unloading ignore it when you are setting up to vacuum. The other hose hooks up to the suction side of the blower. You may have to remove the air cleaner from the blower if its an older model. We had a small muffler that hooked to the quick coupler on the blower where you would normally hook up your hose for blowing off a load. If no muffler use earplugs. Seal up the domes on top and close all valves and hoppers on the trailer. If the trailer has aeration make sure the valves are all closed. Hook up the hose you will be loading through to the stinger line on the back of the trailer. Most stinger lines we had were at the top of the tank in the back. If the trailer has two stinger lines use the one that loads the rear of the trailer first. Make sure that whatever you are loading out of is vented. If it is a rail car that says it is vented I always opened the dome on top of the hopper I was loading out of anyway, because I got one that had malfunctioned one time and almost sucked the sides of the railcar together.
If you are loading plastic pellets the flexible stainless steel hoses are directional. The arrows on the hose point which way the flow should go. Most times the hoses have a male on one end and a female on the other but I have picked up trailers where the fittings have been switched or stolen. I always looked to be sure. Once your hoses are hooked up and all the valves on the trailer are closed you start the blower, and open only the one valve that the blower line will sucking air through. Then speed your blower up to the recommended speed and you should start to build vaccum and the trailer should start to load. It will be guess work for you to know when the trailer is loaded, but you will get the hang of it. Hope there is a scale nearby. Loading time varies from product to product. I did mostly plastic pellets out of rail cars and they are easy. I could load 48.000 # of pellets through a 6" stinger line in 35 minutes. The same load through a 4' stinger line took an hour. I've probably made this sound a lot more complicated than it actually is, but it's not. Once you do it a couple of times you'll,be a pro. I hope this helps.
 
To all pneumatic tanker yanker dry bulk. Unloading sodium chlorate-crustal from a dry bulk tanker.
You do not unload it like sand -salt or others. You fill tank with hot water 180-200 degrees then uses an air line to areaers from a cold air supply to mix it up. Open valves to out side pump not your pump. When don't flush all lines with clear water wash tank and flush all lines 2nd time. You may have to remove arears to clean. Park a way from every one and dry tank. In others words get your bag and take a long shower when done tank good and warm and dry. ;;;if you don't it may go boom;;; make sour when drying tank it is not under psi do not lock down top dom lids.
 
I am glad I found this thread. I just took a job with a dry bulk company out of Wichita, and I have not received very thorough training on the pneumatic trailer. I will keep all this in mind. Does anyone else happen to work for CTS out of Wichita, KS?
 
new to this

Hello, 1st time on the forum. I'm looking to install a blower on a tractor to unload dry cement from a trailer. I'm not sure of requirements needed such as space needed, how heavy the unit might be or even which manufacturers have good units and which models to stay away from. Any insite and a direction would really help. Thank you in advance kenken
 
Hello, 1st time on the forum. I'm looking to install a blower on a tractor to unload dry cement from a trailer. I'm not sure of requirements needed such as space needed, how heavy the unit might be or even which manufacturers have good units and which models to stay away from. Any insite and a direction would really help. Thank you in advance kenken

Well I have never actually worked on one of these, but have looked them over a time or two (I was a mechanic before I was a truck driver).

You will need to install a PTO on your transmission, then mount the blower along the frame somewhere behind the output shaft of the tranny. Next will be the installation of a driveshaft from the PTO to the blower, a PTO control (this can be either a push-pull cable, or you can go "high tech" and get an electrically shifted PTO), and the required plumbing for the the inlet and outlet of the blower.

It looks fairly straight forward to me. If you are mechanically inclined and have a shop with some fabrication tools you should be able to do this yourself. The PTO installation requires getting the gear engagement set up correctly, so if you do this yourself, read up on it.

Let us know how it works out.
 
I always thought PTO, was Personal Time Off. LOL Theres a lot of people that can use your advise, knowing you are a mechanic. Thanks.
 
I always thought PTO, was Personal Time Off. LOL

PTO as Personal Time Off is a relatively new phrase. When I worked at the power company I got vacation time, sick leave, and holiday pay. About 1990 or so the new hires were subjected to the PTO program, which lumped the sick pay in with the vacation pay. Apparently the company felt this was the only way to stop abuse of the sick leave privilege.

The bad side is that if an employee is really sick and cannot work, first they burn up 3 days of PTO (vacation) before they can draw on their ESL (extended sick leave), and since it is company policy that any absence longer than 3 days requires a written note from a doctor then the employee has to burden the already overloaded health car system, make an appointment with their health care professional and get a note that "Johnny has a tummy ache and can't come to work today".

As a result more people go to work sick and spread the illness around.

Go figure.

Theres a lot of people that can use your advise, knowing you are a mechanic. Thanks.

Yes, maybe I should charge for this.
 
Brilliant infomation, for us here, It's really hard to establish a good driver base, simply because there are no good training regulations, the government have just swept it under the carpet and ignored it.
There have been many accidents in the industry, one of the worst was actually in the USA where a tanker was improperly unloaded, it exploded and killed 12 people, some don't even believe powder can be explosive but the way it is blown out of the tanker makes it so dangerous.
I could go into this but I'm off home soon and have no net there right now =( until tuesday
 
pneumatic tanks loading /unloading

Good morning, I already have two sets of doubles. I'm looking for info on blower systems that work. I have blowers at the plants I deliver to however a couple of wantabe clients have portable plants without blowers. I,m looking to install at least one set-up on a tractor so I can deliver there. I need to find our who has the good units and which ones to stay away from. thanks for the help.
 

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